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On 25 March 2013 12:01, Adam Chevalier <chevalieradam2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wait, what about vimcu <http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/vimcu>?
> Its not perfect, especially when you see the notation about alienation
> (i've been learning gismu with Anki and it doesn't have this notation, so I
> assumed it was mathematical until grabbed that link).
>
>
Ian explained this rather well, I think.

On 25 March 2013 1 AM, Ian wrote:
The problem is that arithmetic is supposed to abstract physical situations.
Addition abstracts the merging of groups, while subtraction abstracts the
removal of a subgroup from a group. In other words, [addition is parallel
to {jmina}, and subtraction is parallel to {vimcu}]

Indeed, {vimcu} is for the physical removal of a subgroup from a group,
such as getting a haircut. Math is the abstracted version of this physical
situation. More importantly, it doesn't make sense for jmina, fendi, and <I
don't know which physical relationship relates to pilji> to have
mathematical abstractions, namely sumji, dilcu, and pilji, but not {vimcu}.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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On 25 March 2013 12:01, Adam Chevalier <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:chevalieradam2@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">chevalieradam2@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">

Wait, what about=A0<a href=3D"http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/vimcu" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">vimcu</a>?<div>Its not perfect, especially when you see the=
 notation about alienation (i&#39;ve been learning gismu with Anki and it d=
oesn&#39;t have this notation, so I assumed it was mathematical until grabb=
ed that link).<div>

<div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ia=
n explained this rather well, I think.</div><div><br></div><div>On 25 March=
 2013 1 AM, Ian wrote:</div><div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">The pro=
blem is that arithmetic is supposed to abstract physical situations. Additi=
on abstracts the merging of groups, while subtraction abstracts the removal=
 of a subgroup from a group. In other words, [addition is parallel to {jmin=
a}, and subtraction is parallel to {vimcu}]</span></div>

<div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></span></div><div><span style=
=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13.333333969116211px">Indeed, {vimcu} is for the physical removal of a su=
bgroup from a group, such as getting a haircut. Math is the abstracted vers=
ion of this physical situation. More importantly, it doesn&#39;t make sense=
 for jmina, fendi, and &lt;I don&#39;t know which physical relationship rel=
ates to pilji&gt; to have mathematical abstractions, namely sumji, dilcu, a=
nd pilji, but not {vimcu}.</span></div>

<div><span style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:arial,san=
s-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"><br></span></div><div><span style=
=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-siz=
e:13.333333969116211px">.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</span></div>

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