Received: from mail-oa0-f62.google.com ([209.85.219.62]:37579) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UKycd-0007Z5-Gg; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:15:14 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f62.google.com with SMTP id l10sf2919958oag.7 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:15:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Ux/RxqwHdEBZBdNEI/dCw19EwiBmj4mA1DJH0tx3jKQ=; b=aeBeeH3obVh0Lf2KSryDeHq5PRQhNx0UA3xjUVi34qabf9wA8DLVO+3zS5ki1rIs64 U3DFhJ6owAUlgrBqlS3CuNKf7NeESP7V5fTWNt5JxlMgryT3akW8gCI4+ENee5zgaARA sxldt8MTOWBm6gsF0i5Za22loqce+BOX2hWd7U7KBXkAqK05a7X90sMTNpI5sX/5+nYY zv8G//X1kW4EOvojqeLDHT8yKQ34FXxpJ5TlPWaVaYPHIyK0bJSiffdHCuHNyk1rsg4D LOQNhZ4GBNfoLwBOFMihVIBThPOzGvAKRNysEdmTxAvEMqDHj0xOBjZrnv+l8ONUJ05V uFWg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Ux/RxqwHdEBZBdNEI/dCw19EwiBmj4mA1DJH0tx3jKQ=; b=Y8TvvYOmJwtuRH9ZApjXEn8XTTofrU/qUxAEzoWxDonLeN9rfeyV6I0IFG4rgyZzok ePbyBfUjJvgdozfuwYhwnkIOJavIo4d1rec2WxedOJOgauoBu2Gf5f/dttGOeM2+p4YY F1UREzY9aGkLVnoJuVwThEs6t/pakbUDe95Az4mEUHMXc28DeRygVVkCwgqrjkssGIS3 Ri6eJfNgAdV5fDo2T8zqvTdcgkMsfnnXaJ+p7AJBc6qYbsDu0lbXP1Upz9Of6Aexb7Eg l4FN0G9lvPPqwZOJ28pFxpP8RUMbxe3D6LMsMY18ydqEfHVfHxaXGpjmJspSpwr7wDMp E4AQ== X-Received: by 10.50.6.135 with SMTP id b7mr1233374iga.9.1364422500767; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:15:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.77.138 with SMTP id s10ls1173347igw.4.canary; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.115.1 with SMTP id i1mr7041006icq.2.1364422499271; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x22b.google.com (mail-ob0-x22b.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id mk7si595134igc.0.2013.03.27.15.14.59 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b; Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id x4so8692377obh.16 for ; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.117.3 with SMTP id ka3mr2439934oeb.67.1364422498943; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:14:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.127.228 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:14:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <9cb76aa0-a82f-490f-befe-faeb69060888@googlegroups.com> From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 18:14:38 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A Discussion of the Lojban System of Place Structure To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b417ffb5f8a2804d8ef5ec0 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b417ffb5f8a2804d8ef5ec0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 27 March 2013 16:52, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM, la gleki wrote: > >> > >> mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in property of being big) => mi poi >> zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big). >> > > ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property. > > Although this is completely unrelated to the thread -- then again so is your reply, too -- the abstraction suggestions in the gimste are not prescriptive. (You can dig around the archives to see that Lojbab himself has said this.) Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that is more self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor in zmadu3. What gleki said isn't wrong; it simply doesn't conform to your style of Lojban. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b417ffb5f8a2804d8ef5ec0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27 March 2013 16:52, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> w= rote:
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in prop= erty of being big) =3D> mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you i= s big).

ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property.


Although this is completely unrelated= to the thread -- then again so is your reply, too -- the abstraction sugge= stions in the gimste are not prescriptive. (You can dig around the archives= to see that Lojbab himself has said this.)=A0

Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that i= s more self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor = in zmadu3. What gleki said isn't wrong; it simply doesn't conform t= o your style of Lojban.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o=A0

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