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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 27 March 2013 16:52, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>   <snip>
>>
>>> mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in property of being big) => mi
>>> poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big).
>>>
>>
>> ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property.
>>
>>
> Although this is completely unrelated to the thread -- then again so is
> your reply, too -- the abstraction suggestions in the gimste are not
> prescriptive.
>

I know this. I'm a big proponent of same.


> (You can dig around the archives to see that Lojbab himself has said
> this.)
>
> Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that is more
> self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor in
> zmadu3. What gleki said isn't wrong; it simply doesn't conform to your
> style of Lojban.
>

Actually, no. It is wrong, because he is translating ni as property. "(I
exceed you in property of being big)". I wasn't saying he needed to put a
property there, I was saying that ni is /not/ a property., it's a quantity.

>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Jacob E=
rrington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On 27 March 2013 16:52, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"i=
m"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left=
:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:17 AM, la gleki <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">



<div> </div></blockquote><div>=A0&lt;snip&gt;</div><div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div>mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in property of bei=
ng big) =3D&gt; mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big).</di=
v>



</blockquote></div></div><br>ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property.<sp=
an><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all"><br></font></span></blockquote=
><div><br></div></div><div>Although this is completely unrelated to the thr=
ead -- then again so is your reply, too -- the abstraction suggestions in t=
he gimste are not prescriptive. </div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>I know this. I&#39;m a big proponent of same.<b=
r>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>(=
You can dig around the archives to see that Lojbab himself has said this.)=
=A0</div>


<div><br></div><div>Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that i=
s more self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor =
in zmadu3. What gleki said isn&#39;t wrong; it simply doesn&#39;t conform t=
o your style of Lojban.</div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Actually, no. It is wrong, because he is transl=
ating ni as property. &quot;(I exceed you in property of being big)&quot;. =
I wasn&#39;t saying he needed to put a property there, I was saying that ni=
 is /not/ a property., it&#39;s a quantity.<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=
=3D"im">

<div><br></div><div>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o=A0</div></div></div><div =
class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">

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