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There is also another solution. {mi zmadu do sekai lo ni barda} > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, la gleki > > wrote: > >> >> >>> mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in property of being big) => mi >>>>>> poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big). >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Although this is completely unrelated to the thread -- then again so is >>>> your reply, too -- the abstraction suggestions in the gimste are not >>>> prescriptive. >>>> >>> >>> I know this. I'm a big proponent of same. >>> >>> >>>> (You can dig around the archives to see that Lojbab himself has said >>>> this.) >>>> >>>> Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that is more >>>> self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor in >>>> zmadu3. What gleki said isn't wrong; it simply doesn't conform to your >>>> style of Lojban. >>>> >>> >>> Actually, no. It is wrong, because he is translating ni as property. "(I >>> exceed you in property of being big)". I wasn't saying he needed to put a >>> property there, I was saying that ni is /not/ a property., it's a quantity. >>> >> >> Yes, I was abviously wrong. .i .u'u >> The correct translation >> >> mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in quantity of being big) >> >> => mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big). >> (However, I'm not sure if the second sentence is about properties of >> qunatities). >> >> >> >>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+un...@**googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban?hl=en >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:14:45 AM UTC+4, Latro wrote:That {mi poi zilkarbi} thing gets into = the "as" issue that we had previously; I'm pretty skeptical as to whether i= t's appropriate.

There is also another solu= tion. {mi zmadu do sekai lo ni barda} 


mi'e la latro'a mu'o<= br>
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, la gleki <glek= i.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in property of being big) =3D>= ; mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big).

ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property.


Although this is completely unrelated to the thr= ead -- then again so is your reply, too -- the abstraction suggestions in t= he gimste are not prescriptive.

I know this. I'm a big proponent of same.
&n= bsp;
(Y= ou can dig around the archives to see that Lojbab himself has said this.)&n= bsp;

Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that i= s more self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor = in zmadu3. What gleki said isn't wrong; it simply doesn't conform to your s= tyle of Lojban.

Actually, no. It is wrong, because he is transl= ating ni as property. "(I exceed you in property of being big)". I wasn't s= aying he needed to put a property there, I was saying that ni is /not/ a pr= operty., it's a quantity.

Yes, I was abviously wro= ng. .i .u'u
The correct translation 

mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in quantity of being big) 

=3D> mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to= you is big).
(However, I'm not sure if the second sent= ence is about properties of qunatities).



.i mi'e la tsani mu'o 

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