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spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0118235e336c4c04d8fb193a X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0118235e336c4c04d8fb193a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't think you can ckaji a ni... mi'e la latro'a mu'o On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:00 AM, la gleki wrote: > > > On Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:14:45 AM UTC+4, Latro wrote: >> >> That {mi poi zilkarbi} thing gets into the "as" issue that we had >> previously; I'm pretty skeptical as to whether it's appropriate. > > > There is also another solution. {mi zmadu do sekai lo ni barda} > > >> mi'e la latro'a mu'o >> >> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, la gleki wrote: >> >>> >>> >>>> mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in property of being big) => mi >>>>>>> poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big). >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Although this is completely unrelated to the thread -- then again so >>>>> is your reply, too -- the abstraction suggestions in the gimste are not >>>>> prescriptive. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I know this. I'm a big proponent of same. >>>> >>>> >>>>> (You can dig around the archives to see that Lojbab himself has said >>>>> this.) >>>>> >>>>> Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that is more >>>>> self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor in >>>>> zmadu3. What gleki said isn't wrong; it simply doesn't conform to your >>>>> style of Lojban. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Actually, no. It is wrong, because he is translating ni as property. >>>> "(I exceed you in property of being big)". I wasn't saying he needed to put >>>> a property there, I was saying that ni is /not/ a property., it's a >>>> quantity. >>>> >>> >>> Yes, I was abviously wrong. .i .u'u >>> The correct translation >>> >>> mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in quantity of being big) >>> >>> => mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big). >>> (However, I'm not sure if the second sentence is about properties of >>> qunatities). >>> >>> >>> >>>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@**googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group**/lojban?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**grou**ps/opt_out >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --089e0118235e336c4c04d8fb193a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think you can ckaji a ni...

mi'e la latr= o'a mu'o

On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at = 5:00 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrot= e:


On Thursday, March= 28, 2013 8:14:45 AM UTC+4, Latro wrote:
That {mi poi zilkarbi} thing gets into the "as" issue that we had= previously; I'm pretty skeptical as to whether it's appropriate.

There is also another solution. {mi zm= adu do sekai lo ni barda}=A0


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mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:49 PM, la gleki <gleki.i= s...@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0
mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in property of being big) =3D>= ; mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to you is big).

ka, not ni. ni is quantity, ka is property.


Although this is completely unrelated to the thr= ead -- then again so is your reply, too -- the abstraction suggestions in t= he gimste are not prescriptive.

I know this. I'm a big proponent of same.=A0
(= You can dig around the archives to see that Lojbab himself has said this.)= =A0

Some of us have adopted a system of abstractions that i= s more self-consistent, and indeed, that system puts a quantity abstractor = in zmadu3. What gleki said isn't wrong; it simply doesn't conform t= o your style of Lojban.

Actually, no. It is wrong, because he is transl= ating ni as property. "(I exceed you in property of being big)". = I wasn't saying he needed to put a property there, I was saying that ni= is /not/ a property., it's a quantity.

Yes, I was abviously wro= ng. .i .u'u
The correct translation=A0

mi zmadu do lo ni barda (I exceed you in quantity of being big)=A0

=3D> mi poi zilkarbi do cu barda (I compared to= you is big).
(However, I'm not sure if the second = sentence is about properties of qunatities).



.i mi'e la tsani mu'o=A0

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