Received: from mail-ia0-f192.google.com ([209.85.210.192]:57540) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ULa1R-0006Bf-Cd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:48 -0700 Received: by mail-ia0-f192.google.com with SMTP id k20sf196195iak.19 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=qGQNXOAoO6xQsQCjQCgZibQanO3dnqTFmBTnMhVI3ts=; b=n2ITphmFajklnfxN/EwaUvBnsGSnPgerEaVtRqCjqsfuO05E73KfLnfuxvSmUYvRVi 6Zw0kVsLWR1O4aG40ZB8QdCwWlGf4EPpRRf+/zowP4oB9teiyh4HTS8ls+IwutamD4D0 0T7ddR8vKOUZ4jvKeQwFik53f2gkgzBINFhqn7//4NIar6kTmjgpIXLSoE0IYMPoIaxA 7y01LHS3/YB6bHlTBsLxv1xzwxG64RAHD9zS0+CNUOux6Gtz6M4g6aPo9FusYZBQql41 EWNmRIT4qMwwsF+/D0O0x+BaAXis/uYFCWP8hcbCRQx+1iEWe/SviJxUS+6HAQcYnbUU P0MQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=qGQNXOAoO6xQsQCjQCgZibQanO3dnqTFmBTnMhVI3ts=; b=t34sB05YZr+n2ylTMqZKokcnfViuqrJMtLrSjT+TGa+C5YqMpZpWqKM5PSGrHb6I3m Q3y923XfM0i09C74/5hcAM7Gb3Ts5ND5c0nlRKQu7mjqbUL23cGXetT9JaP1o9g2tEbn XAhNS/SPknLT2ivSBPXQ9wxZLZhtJWesVhUJjCNGWQPxJWmazmM2wC9yotqOOwfHCxY+ o9VagTVIbVmqF0aI83zgNLcnpZ/RRQ5tYhUPKVl5Z51XSH7vMPfQz/6reysoUdTtZiA9 1jggRfQeWkEBTcrt1/UDQ3bwLD0jQfYUT7RFPrbMtPykNZfZTkQja5LSgZZ6kuw/mzTJ Lprg== X-Received: by 10.49.85.106 with SMTP id g10mr151848qez.13.1364566265349; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.96.100 with SMTP id dr4ls292883qeb.93.gmail; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.59.2.42 with SMTP id bl10mr2506530ved.29.1364566264909; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com (mail-vc0-f174.google.com [209.85.220.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ct10si244706vdb.3.2013.03.29.07.11.04 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.174; Received: by mail-vc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id hx10so525690vcb.33 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.29.18 with SMTP id f18mr1626332vdh.57.1364566264805; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:11:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.188.116 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 07:10:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9cb76aa0-a82f-490f-befe-faeb69060888@googlegroups.com> References: <9cb76aa0-a82f-490f-befe-faeb69060888@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 10:10:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] A Discussion of the Lojban System of Place Structure To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f3aa87c824e04d910d7b8 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307f3aa87c824e04d910d7b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 IIRC, Loglan (and then Lojban) used place structures instead of prepositions or case endings because cases and/or prepositions could not unambiguously accommodate all the meanings necessary. stevo On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:08 PM, wrote: > . ui coi ro do > > I'm Daniel Evans, and I figured that I would share my thoughts on the > lojban place structure. I've been thinking about it for a few weeks, so I > finally sat down today for about four hours and typed up a really rough > paper about it. > > In a nutshell, I say it should be trashed. Thrown away. Why? Read the > paper, and then tell me what you think :) > > I'll preface it (I did say this in the paper as all) with this: *I don't > think it's an awful system. Nor am I gonna be angry if everybody hates it. > * Keep in mind that I just blazed through a ten page paper, and didn't > take a whole lot of time to revise my thoughts. I just wanted to get my > thoughts down and organize them for myself. Doing so was best achieved by > writing a paper about it, and that ended up being too much work to keep it > to myself. I'm interested by what others think. It would be unbelievably > cool if my ideas could be implemented, but I don't necessarily expect it. > > It is attached to this post. 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IIRC, Loglan (and then Lojban) used place structures inste= ad of prepositions or case endings because cases and/or prepositions could = not unambiguously accommodate all the meanings necessary.=A0

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On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:08 PM, <daniel.e2718@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
. ui coi ro do

I'm Da= niel Evans, and I figured that I would share my thoughts on the lojban plac= e structure. I've been thinking about it for a few weeks, so I finally = sat down today for about four hours and typed up a really rough paper about= it.

In a nutshell, I say it should be trashed. Thrown away.= Why? Read the paper, and then tell me what you think :)

I'll preface it (I did say this in the paper as all) with this: = I don't think it's an awful system. Nor am I gonna be angry if e= verybody hates it.=A0Keep in mind that I just blazed through a ten page= paper, and didn't take a whole lot of time to revise my thoughts. I ju= st wanted to get my thoughts down and organize them for myself. Doing so wa= s best achieved by writing a paper about it, and that ended up being too mu= ch work to keep it to myself. I'm interested by what others think. It w= ould be unbelievably cool if my ideas could be implemented, but I don't= necessarily expect it.

It is attached to this post. Enjoy!

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