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And places can?=A0 Surely, if so, then prepositions or affix cases can.=A0 =
But it is unlikely that any system can unambiguously cover all possible rel=
ations; the present one surely does not.


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 From: MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
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Subject: Re: [lojban] A Discussion of the Lojban System of Place Structure
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IIRC, Loglan (and then Lojban) used place structures instead of preposition=
s or case endings because cases and/or prepositions could not unambiguously=
 accommodate all the meanings necessary.=A0

stevo


On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:08 PM, <daniel.e2718@gmail.com> wrote:

. ui coi ro do
>
>
>I'm Daniel Evans, and I figured that I would share my thoughts on the lojb=
an place structure. I've been thinking about it for a few weeks, so I final=
ly sat down today for about four hours and typed up a really rough paper ab=
out it.
>
>
>In a nutshell, I say it should be trashed. Thrown away. Why? Read the pape=
r, and then tell me what you think :)
>
>
>I'll preface it (I did say this in the paper as all) with this: I don't th=
ink it's an awful system. Nor am I gonna be angry if everybody hates it.=A0=
Keep in mind that I just blazed through a ten page paper, and didn't take a=
 whole lot of time to revise my thoughts. I just wanted to get my thoughts =
down and organize them for myself. Doing so was best achieved by writing a =
paper about it, and that ended up being too much work to keep it to myself.=
 I'm interested by what others think. It would be unbelievably cool if my i=
deas could be implemented, but I don't necessarily expect it.
>
>
>It is attached to this post. Enjoy! --=20
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">And places can?&nbsp;=
 Surely, if so, then prepositions or affix cases can.&nbsp; But it is unlik=
ely that any system can unambiguously cover all possible relations; the pre=
sent one surely does not.<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div>  <=
div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-siz=
e: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, ser=
if; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <=
hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Morph=
emeAddict &lt;lytlesw@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weigh=
t: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 29, 2013 9:10 AM<br> <b><span styl=
e=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] A Discussion of t=
he Lojban
 System of Place Structure<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv1914020835"><div dir=3D"ltr">IIRC, Loglan (and then Lojban) u=
sed place structures instead of prepositions or case endings because cases =
and/or prepositions could not unambiguously accommodate all the meanings ne=
cessary.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div style=3D"">

stevo</div></div><div class=3D"yiv1914020835gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=
=3D"yiv1914020835gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 11:08 PM,  <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:daniel.e2718@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:daniel.e2718@gmail.com">daniel.e2718@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"yiv1914020835gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">. ui coi ro do<div><br></div><=
div>I'm Daniel Evans, and I figured that I would share my thoughts on the l=
ojban place structure. I've been thinking about it for a few weeks, so I fi=
nally sat down today for about four hours and typed up a really rough paper=
 about it.</div>

<div><br></div><div>In a nutshell, I say it should be trashed. Thrown away.=
 Why? Read the paper, and then tell me what you think :)</div><div><br></di=
v><div>I'll preface it (I did say this in the paper as all) with this: <b>I=
 don't think it's an awful system. Nor am I gonna be angry if everybody hat=
es it.</b>&nbsp;Keep in mind that I just blazed through a ten page paper, a=
nd didn't take a whole lot of time to revise my thoughts. I just wanted to =
get my thoughts down and organize them for myself. Doing so was best achiev=
ed by writing a paper about it, and that ended up being too much work to ke=
ep it to myself. I'm interested by what others think. It would be unbelieva=
bly cool if my ideas could be implemented, but I don't necessarily expect i=
t.</div>

<div><br></div><div>It is attached to this post. Enjoy!</div><span class=3D=
"yiv1914020835HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">


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