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[66.94.236.141]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b30si225055yhi.4.2013.03.29.19.11.03 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.141 as permitted sender) client-ip=66.94.236.141; Received: from [66.94.237.126] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2013 02:11:03 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.124] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2013 02:11:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Mar 2013 02:11:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 470551.83470.bm@omp1029.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 38793 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Mar 2013 02:11:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eITw9YUVM1mT64F3.k35ZlZ87wQq_Pp5CKCH_cdAQmftZOS ctbfYVtYmGbV3eDvR6ec8BmKJV5biqMsI_la5F6LBcitiI7kd59vJmhzqesM OSJgpjbnu5Fn4rdo8vMR7wxWJxDSnq3c0N2XQgu0yNeviMY9xoRS0pVvzlj4 ps.mpe6_AdrxSRLoc7J_McB3sxwW5wt05eSNc9uoF8YYMHL0GoQO7ztZ0cgh klX42_XAi.mobgPSU3yP3kfey5IO6vlzltIibuGNUN8MOzJMQqNBfg0cIsGm pVaD6lTCOn3DzsrLyw_ibcvy2atm3y0lzfEzmBZTheH2f24fwFyS71BJqwCk y5PXgdX9YL8T2_H5259LAaRayEcfqdOOzN1YD66Jd6suTAolqUJ6a6faiNWu 1AKf1WSasOHkmtFBNBhYeLQ_pwFYRBDRojajbTHxb_eJhjGlGzWRm8o0I.04 KNJd4Qu9Y7Tam3FsyA_jv_dIXRk23Em.dYax2eyQmWE5Vv297_t10EUzcgfh 0aQB839pwLSfLfHxYmHY- Received: from [99.92.108.194] by web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:11:02 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VGhlIHByb29mIG9mIHRoZSBwb2ludCwgb2YgY291cnNlLsKgIEJ1dCBpdCBzdGlsbCBkb2VzIG5vdCBzaG93IGluIGVpdGhlciBjYXNlIHRoYXQgdGhlcmUgbWlnaHQgYmUgYSBjb21wbGV0ZSBzZXQgb2YgdW5hbWJpZ3VvdXMgcGxhY2VzL2Nhc2VzLgoKCgoKX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KIEZyb206IHY0aG4gPG1lQHY0aG4uZGU.ClRvOiBsb2piYW5AZ29vZ2xlZ3JvdXBzLmNvbSAKU2VudDogRnJpZGF5LCBNYXJjaCAyOSwgMjAxMyA2OjIwIFBNClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBbbG9qYmEBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.139.530 References: <9cb76aa0-a82f-490f-befe-faeb69060888@googlegroups.com> <1364567611.32356.YahooMailNeo@web184405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1364583594.67473.YahooMailNeo@web184406.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20130329232030.GK6592@samsa.fritz.box> Message-ID: <1364609462.34037.YahooMailNeo@web184402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:11:02 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A Discussion of the Lojban System of Place Structure To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" In-Reply-To: <20130329232030.GK6592@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.236.141 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-334495122-806523749-1364609462=:34037" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ---334495122-806523749-1364609462=:34037 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The proof of the point, of course.=A0 But it still does not show in either = case that there might be a complete set of unambiguous places/cases. ________________________________ From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] A Discussion of the Lojban System of Place Structure =20 On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:59:54AM -0700, John E Clifford wrote: > From: MorphemeAddict >=20 > > Yes, places can, because each place of each selbri can be defined uniqu= ely.=A0 >=20 > And so can each preposition/case. >=20 Sure, but it probably doesn't make sense to define a preposition for klama1= , one for klama2, one for citka2, one for gerku2 and all the other places out= there. If places do not group well together, it simply doesn't make sense to have propositions for them - although you can do that if you like. Lojban even "kind of" supports you with {fi'o}. v4hn --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ---334495122-806523749-1364609462=:34037 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The proof of the poin= t, of course.  But it still does not show in either case that there mi= ght be a complete set of unambiguous places/cases.



From: v4hn <me@v4hn.de>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] A Discuss= ion of the Lojban System of Place Structure

On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:59:54AM -0700, John E Clifford wrote:
> Fr= om: MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
>
> > Yes, = places can, because each place of each selbri can be defined uniquely. = ;
>
> And so can each preposition/case.
>

Sure, = but it probably doesn't make sense to define a preposition for klama1,
o= ne for klama2, one for citka2, one for gerku2 and all the other places out = there.

If places do not group well together, it simply doesn't make = sense to have
propositions for them - although you can do that if you li= ke. Lojban even
"kind of" supports you with {fi'o}.


v4hn
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