Received: from mail-lb0-f192.google.com ([209.85.217.192]:54783) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UNR5U-000483-BD for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:03:11 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f192.google.com with SMTP id w20sf586433lbh.19 for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-authenticated :x-provags-id:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=/haHkbd29DmYMeM0EmqwcLMrHrF7ncPwSFONG4Hw/R4=; b=eW6hXcLmgScZjEbJn94U2I2efaZeMqbvpmqVAu38g6cfWeSJDnei+wavX4/J1L+E5Y +KXimuNttNrjBE7K0PMaHKsDvH6MJXIq7Mr8dM+jVVQSjpyGtpZNMh2XBKgfo1d57pKY zMW6OXZZd1yDeHZ950amF0dGRiSGEFPVBfdNkNorHGO3bQCNnTCOelIvWo9CoiuLwY7S bLUetNLN3Hk3oULhkxSvgAN0jyJcSiPyN/2jK55hms8exZd+ol72UrRI1rmiCiVO46kO Kd9auw2ALd33hB+NviYHUKhGf+1NnPtv8tlDRVI80tIUJuqeKh2ZID1NJAgZqlReBb75 Vd3Q== X-Received: by 10.180.106.227 with SMTP id gx3mr1814730wib.12.1365008576618; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.90.12 with SMTP id bs12ls701001wib.46.gmail; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.205.65.201 with SMTP id xn9mr321849bkb.5.1365008575103; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id jh7si660793bkb.3.2013.04.03.10.02.55; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.12]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MaGJS-1U3Zqg3OCO-00JtXc for ; Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:02:54 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Apr 2013 17:02:54 -0000 Received: from p54AF48A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.72.163] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 03 Apr 2013 19:02:54 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18muTQsNRYmQdtQli7rPq2bwMbSRuoDwa/DliIPkF W86WMySUQZqh4V Message-ID: <515C60B2.2040409@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2013 19:02:42 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] what {me lo broda ku} means and why not allow {selbri NOI} References: <514F1132.8020502@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <514F1132.8020502@gmx.de> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la selpa'i cu cusku di'e > The problem I see with {broda NOI brode} is that it messes with > constructs like {lo broda NOI brode}. If NOI can attach to selbri, then > there is no longer a way to put NOI inside the LE description (e.g. "lo > broda noi brode [ku'o] [ku]}, which makes a difference when outer > quantifiers are present. Similarly, it breaks the likes of mi catlu lo nu lo gerku do jersi [[kei] ku] noi xajmi mi whether or not quantifiers are present. {ku} is never elidible in such a context then (in addition to inner NOI being impossible). It's a pity, really. (because it breaks so much usage and especially because it is hard to fix with search-and-replace, unlike some other proposed changes.) mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.