Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 09:24:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: what {me lo broda ku} means and why not allow {selbri NOI}
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On Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:36:00 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>
> In http://www.lojban.org/tiki/zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji xorxes proposes 
> allowing {broda NOI}.
> pe'i it makes no sense and shouldn't be allowed.
>
> {do sanga} = You sing, you're a singer
> {*do sanga noi stati} = *You sing that talented (???)
>
> However,
> {do me lo sanga noi stati} = You are a singer who is talented
> makes perfect sense.
>
> *brivla work like verbs.*
> *brivla converted into sumti work like nouns.*
> *{me lo broda ku} work like "to be + noun".*
>
> I wish someone posted here other grammatical drawbacks of allowing selbri 
> NOI
>


Well, if some people incorrectly use  NOI in the form of selbri NOI the 
goal is to teach them correct lojban.
As we never attach ",which/ who / that" to verbs we shouldn't do that in 
Lojban.
It's all the problem of teaching grammatically correct speech.

However, "You sing, which I didn't know" just implies that {lo nu ...} in 
the beginning was dropped. But NOI  states that there is a terminator of 
that {lo nu}.
The can only allow dropping articles when it doesn't lead to ambiguity like
{broda cu brode} definitely means {lo broda ku brode} and
{do sanga noi mi na pu djuno} means {co'e lo du'u do sanga ku noi mi na pu 
djuno ke'a}.

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<br><br>On Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:36:00 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div>In <a href=3D"http://www.lojban.o=
rg/tiki/zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji" target=3D"_blank">http://www.lojban.org/ti=
ki/<wbr>zasni+gerna+cenba+vreji</a> xorxes proposes allowing {broda NOI}.</=
div><div>pe'i it makes no sense and shouldn't be allowed.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>{do sanga} =3D You sing, you're a singer</div><div>{*do sanga noi s=
tati} =3D *You sing that talented (???)</div><div><br></div><div>However,</=
div><div>{do me lo sanga noi stati} =3D You are a singer who is talented</d=
iv><div>makes perfect sense.</div><div><br></div><div><b>brivla work like v=
erbs.</b></div><div><b>brivla converted into sumti work like nouns.</b></di=
v><div><b>{me lo broda ku} work like "to be + noun".</b></div><div><br></di=
v><div>I wish someone posted here other grammatical drawbacks of allowing s=
elbri NOI</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Well, if som=
e people incorrectly use &nbsp;NOI in the form of selbri NOI the goal is to=
 teach them correct lojban.</div><div>As we never attach ",which/ who / tha=
t" to verbs we shouldn't do that in Lojban.</div><div>It's all the problem =
of teaching grammatically correct speech.</div><div><br></div><div>However,=
 "You sing, which I didn't know" just implies that {lo nu ...} in the begin=
ning was dropped. But NOI &nbsp;states that there is a terminator of that {=
lo nu}.</div><div>The can only allow dropping articles when it doesn't lead=
 to ambiguity like</div><div>{broda cu brode} definitely means {lo broda ku=
 brode} and</div><div>{do sanga noi mi na pu djuno} means {co'e lo du'u do =
sanga ku noi mi na pu djuno ke'a}.</div>

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