Received: from mail-ia0-f187.google.com ([209.85.210.187]:42094) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UO6em-0001V7-42 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:22 -0700 Received: by mail-ia0-f187.google.com with SMTP id l25sf1125581iad.4 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:from:to:subject:date :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=BETOMSy78dJ+6Wj06vz4mYAB5wJKGJt3JYdFuMQadWE=; b=Ge1rUrpxAurb3hHIIKHUZ3vN9XLXGoN8UZTxTFGZ2B63i1C4pIrTw6Vli9xOiR0/9U 5N2/Up3vG7YrN5cZdrWUeD638WzN+i5CpK37NWj5GZV23oUB8pwf4mZz3vllc426v7Dx wB84OPUINg2zkze8LsYFdam5zdFCicJkCkMVK4+v/y70f9q+NqI9P9J0mTRGPrrdJy4A cRaUMjCKlkLS9Bl3O5clW04z3GZP3e/qcApnEJCnH6I0tWI5e8lJ/iwjqSn5eyk31CiZ my82/ZoHeL+N7ZQ0jSpe9MYjz6AEZ+RA0601mw1K1Oqviu3CdqHR6lmn7uRaxM+oTNk3 ztjQ== X-Received: by 10.49.120.105 with SMTP id lb9mr930498qeb.17.1365168368974; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.12.75 with SMTP id w11ls2055548qeb.84.gmail; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.140.105 with SMTP id d69mr4679340yhj.30.1365168366782; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z8si1114900yhi.1.2013.04.05.06.26.06; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 06:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E17CD155EE for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 09:26:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: [lojban] band, tribe, chiefdom, people Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 09:26:05 -0400 Message-ID: <17966873.aoPqjzST7H@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-38-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Band, tribe, chiefdom, and state are four levels of complexity of social organization. We have a word for state, but what should we call the other three? In "natmi", what's the difference between a nation, an ethnic group, and a people? How would you say "He is a Fore" (member of a people in New Guinea)? Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.