Received: from mail-pb0-f59.google.com ([209.85.160.59]:33798) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UO7wy-0002Qs-VO for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:49:21 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f59.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf1173736pbc.24 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:49:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=I8+56nJ9dT+PrJmoBuCoo9QYbL2BSRT2pvUes2aZEmo=; b=eDqSfZd8y/03T1/WgC166lEC1SjKnXWde1tM0NLUmDp5QVogiOC/2YhesDY22eX6LF oB73UCyl7miClkJQlTGPamUeSdzq8bybz3ObKowMOiol+KxiT4ufDzQyxJ8ZISsJAO4D TsRSYubJxNQjXmjSZetcXEXhPGzWq1XpBYI2nLKEwRytVtC1qo7Vk1llU9AR9H27uhgt Lh6jkAaMh+P4z+7CE2TkqjWqzaGjHY/xAFBnciou/+WyskwPNVwW4JkKxE7AbY1kOiUM 4fdh1pkxgeOFPjkcFe50SbYfnax2Xmw/cvjsaMLjk+e5jJmXcgLuCB7eAwOPFspw0IBU 8W6g== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=I8+56nJ9dT+PrJmoBuCoo9QYbL2BSRT2pvUes2aZEmo=; b=JX9h16WkPEdoSqDMZWqwCxv0uZQje4mYfrMVYfyAEWOQ+Uj9qeynvqCrgk55aIf2D7 iTFSf4tjtisp++cdA/r1a+Vm6CkKF4cAz5riz80yAEovKazu/Yt589rqgzFK3HJPZfh5 P+XfYVBhI55405QA+yBX7xCK2pBEv1zcS4E5fLLdxzwm4fI5/Qn64IRyeUp3CP80mlmI Hi9On4bzexWhmg+I8S/ZULzM7atSYfo9HSWkpS6JW7MLgICVHO/UhH+uAjj+yasSpsOD j1N58I2dXn9nm8tIqKNvg25IHmBIIMryXEEui7VgmxE1WBqTTrh+R33Sj0fN2T6e6fzm TJUQ== X-Received: by 10.49.127.50 with SMTP id nd18mr984793qeb.6.1365173342578; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.60.5 with SMTP id d5ls1994284qer.10.gmail; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.25.13 with SMTP id y13mr965623qef.2.1365173341888; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 07:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4a9879f5-3bb9-4e08-b411-37b8b1479ab1@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <17966873.aoPqjzST7H@caracal> References: <17966873.aoPqjzST7H@caracal> Subject: [lojban] Re: band, tribe, chiefdom, people MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_451_17168656.1365173341050" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_451_17168656.1365173341050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday, April 5, 2013 5:26:05 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > Band, tribe, chiefdom, and state are four levels of complexity of social > organization. We have a word for state, but what should we call the other > three? > > In "natmi", what's the difference between a nation, an ethnic group, and a > people? Is it the problem of lojban? Well, given that such term pe'i have never been formalised .... then yes, we have to invent new ones. *e'uru'e zo etno* for "ethnos" which is a generic term. > How would you say "He is a Fore" (member of a people in New Guinea)? > > Pierre > -- > .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do > .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga > .icu'u la ma'atman. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_451_17168656.1365173341050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Friday, April 5, 2013 5:26:05 PM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:Band, tribe, chiefdom, and state ar= e four levels of complexity of social=20
organization. We have a word for state, but what should we call the oth= er=20
three?

In "natmi", what's the difference between a nation, an ethnic group, an= d a=20
people?

Is it the problem of lojban? We= ll, given that such term pe'i have never been formalised ....
the= n yes, we have to invent new ones.
e'uru'e zo etno for "et= hnos" which is a generic term.
 
How would you say "He is a Fore" (member of a peopl= e in New Guinea)?

Pierre
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.i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do
.ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga
.icu'u la ma'atman.

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