Received: from mail-yh0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:63365) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UOGhY-0005AP-Gy for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:10:04 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f57.google.com with SMTP id 26sf402003yhr.22 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:09:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=IFs0v4z/vxNP3sQ5pbowYyWWSID+Q+y2uL1993lTa74=; b=ENlJ55Vg2uAhIO0f0qDNXsng4kaZmKgBoqQX4pXrk31LGlcuXAFB0sAD7Cnqfpf9tc It9L5Cu1ANQb6zNfDQsDDP/wDEyfSA6bhr9Olyd8TyVSHFH/SZUb8BK9ociuYhT6IkuG 6i0FBLO5W7TZerl6DsaBHyFqs07QtzJUyW1h0Xjc2BG62avUp8ALoYLibGYOHAwjAuQe CW5+prGGYNHy2LzA3aWfIH66r6+wHIMl3vv0xWrP/42lgsxTOzgeyhvBI5pNIyJZ9Oou ZkMLdptFYw/8QldBjZj2Ba6lUpFI92pz54CfLtwm9tpN5fSzVx5DfLRzQn11lUg9bn+6 xaRw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=IFs0v4z/vxNP3sQ5pbowYyWWSID+Q+y2uL1993lTa74=; b=oCRJ5yB7Hf9vksPtJiWlW9fXX58/GA3S7eALVDp1G0O3jWu0/teIdh343jQAaWDTd/ LTxOTQ/dbTPJxmca1Ko4PRayciCSBqBxK7EZcNWPjZ4FutZFEhEzJQdm0OEbADZktWlP 6A6nofsnsnYBxX22iRVKmyBcIat2YCiADRYhPnU+QWtgMK8AD7LrmPDHolkFr5MKJW44 Oh9luy2iGQ+4iFaR6t6fQaa4CltOZYAxnTknhYVSvIj/pZR030lc7/BBwmOfuZD3bXQk SmyAslXLpL1juWDiEVHIx9hgbNB90YVzbUffM04tjuGbFA0DGaf05y2uRdVR/3w8dRro jc0Q== X-Received: by 10.50.43.225 with SMTP id z1mr192097igl.15.1365206981962; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.13.5 with SMTP id d5ls902425igc.32.canary; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.123.66 with SMTP id q2mr9211131icr.15.1365206981213; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x229.google.com (mail-ie0-x229.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o6si539587igh.2.2013.04.05.17.09.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229; Received: by mail-ie0-f169.google.com with SMTP id qd14so5075340ieb.28 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.20.135 with SMTP id n7mr817210ige.31.1365206981122; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.237.84 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 17:09:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8740182.0AQ20pqDVb@caracal> References: <20111216191725.GC22027@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <8740182.0AQ20pqDVb@caracal> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:09:41 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Mini-rant: gismu place consistency From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::229 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd7669227a0aa04d9a605ff X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bd7669227a0aa04d9a605ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I think we should drop the direction place of "mitre" and the subunit > places. > I have no idea what to put in a subunit place, and the direction place > could > be expressed with a preposition if appropriate. "gucti" has just as much > reason to have a direction place as "mitre" does, but "caltre" has none, > even > though by jvojva it has to have one if "mitre" does. > I actually made good use of the mitre direction place in coining {clatre}, {gantre}, and {tsutre}. Please leave it, because it is helpful, even if difficult to use by itself. mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7bd7669227a0aa04d9a605ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think we should drop the direction place of "mitre" and t= he subunit places.
I have no idea what to put in a subunit place, and the direction place coul= d
be expressed with a preposition if appropriate. =A0"gucti" has ju= st as much
reason to have a direction place as "mitre" does, but "caltr= e" has none, even
though by jvojva it has to have one if "mitre" does.

I actually made good use of the mitre directi= on place in coining {clatre}, {gantre}, and {tsutre}. Please leave it, beca= use it is helpful, even if difficult to use by itself.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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