Received: from mail-yh0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:47254) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UOGvL-0005FN-99 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:24:12 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f61.google.com with SMTP id w62sf666521yhw.6 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:23:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=viw6m4jvs7zW1P4fOWDoP09J/ywl+TaPUBZCWE1NWP8=; b=sDKVvipFc18C9uEPRsxKHW0YbUOMHLMxtZxZEqCuy3trpkpCLXacuIbyni9Q7usM52 1XRJBArLQXrqK6uoPfdpmlyLfaQ1xrlnCFeoTsdzinlPXVdxWIYY7La2N/RAvbGsA2uV J6pVKYt4uqmfrcijaYj8NveHA5d5TV7pkxURrybaTlmQ69reYa70hMQ8DvkohcQwfUdh c13ZQ5F1qMbLzkG3yi+kK89pFHiXKPdVLWBCCwDSzf4L+Ia8e4p4979Lr2EfdBp7Bguv W+NpM0BS5fGmnr5nksBtc9ckWVJmEzisjNQjUgYLjcM+O6ttrQBvakbVloHQPZembRS0 uagw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=viw6m4jvs7zW1P4fOWDoP09J/ywl+TaPUBZCWE1NWP8=; b=Gu5V8BWOGA1HCjD5X+bW7258qVl0h1Oaw63VwfAulfjC7PEhF3fcuzcV6h5mgB3pWx 0bS9dAjglF8uRcpD/hB8to/831Yf6v3JSOGwpVIgcMeiaQyclq3+IkgGUyzgkzaNON/4 XAtlYK3Z4afXkjoNHDjuAum3sGoP/SECwQHSv7WrlCn1QftOhJ7Qq0E747UVmQOssHk5 UJyHIesT2Rn6dy00wbKyeTpCeADzswGTkDQ990MEmJgu1Okpoz55sdrMZ7F6KYkjiZDt t+ZCzG5zNwgJDAGtnNIBvjZUf5z3cXZClPmAobWUQjZC0+Q/z1pacUKGKybGC7t+Oe9b yeyw== X-Received: by 10.50.12.227 with SMTP id b3mr206037igc.13.1365207836769; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.135.35 with SMTP id pp3ls915613igb.1.canary; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.140.5 with SMTP id rc5mr1018091igb.4.1365207836394; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-x234.google.com (mail-ia0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c02::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l10si546842ige.0.2013.04.05.17.23.56 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c02::234; Received: by mail-ia0-f180.google.com with SMTP id f27so3592560iae.25 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.20.135 with SMTP id n7mr838953ige.31.1365207836282; Fri, 05 Apr 2013 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.237.84 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Apr 2013 17:23:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <98e2ef1b-044c-4233-a567-5f58a0586db6@googlegroups.com> References: <78563624-9255-41a0-b09c-fb9cd7c03d33@googlegroups.com> <98e2ef1b-044c-4233-a567-5f58a0586db6@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:23:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: No gismu for Difference From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd7669220558d04d9a63820 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bd7669220558d04d9a63820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Does that also mean that we need two separate gismu for "to buy" and "to > sell"? > This is a good question. I considered the possibility of wanting to have this since "sell" is somewhat of an agentive verb in English (sure, a grocery store selling something isn't particularly agentive, but a car salesman selling something is), which if {te vecnu} is really "buy" rather than "is sold" isn't reflected in the semantics of {vecnu}. At any rate, this is a marked inconsistency either way; if {selsumji} is adequate for subtraction then {selpilji} is adequate for division. mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. 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Does that also mean that we need two separate gismu for "to= buy" and "to sell"?
This is a good question. I considered the pos= sibility of wanting to have this since "sell" is somewhat of an a= gentive verb in English (sure, a grocery store selling something isn't = particularly agentive, but a car salesman selling something is), which if {= te vecnu} is really "buy" rather than "is sold" isn'= ;t reflected in the semantics of {vecnu}.

At any rate, this is a marked inconsistency= either way; if {selsumji} is adequate for subtraction then {selpilji} is a= dequate for division.

mi'e la latr= o'a mu'o

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