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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 20:27:08 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: No gismu for Difference
From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
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Sorry to add, but I think this problem of whether truth-functionally
equivalent selbri whose connotation seems significantly different is an
important one, and one we should probably try and formulate a general
response to. Having some brivla with specialized connotation (dilcu vs.
selpilji, mu'a) and not others feels rather sloppy.


On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> Does that also mean that we need two separate gismu for "to buy" and "to
>> sell"?
>>
> This is a good question. I considered the possibility of wanting to have
> this since "sell" is somewhat of an agentive verb in English (sure, a
> grocery store selling something isn't particularly agentive, but a car
> salesman selling something is), which if {te vecnu} is really "buy" rather
> than "is sold" isn't reflected in the semantics of {vecnu}.
>
> At any rate, this is a marked inconsistency either way; if {selsumji} is
> adequate for subtraction then {selpilji} is adequate for division.
>
> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Sorry to add, but I think this problem of whether truth-fu=
nctionally equivalent selbri whose connotation seems significantly differen=
t is an important one, and one we should probably try and formulate a gener=
al response to. Having some brivla with specialized connotation (dilcu vs. =
selpilji, mu&#39;a) and not others feels rather sloppy.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5=
, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blin=
dbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>
<div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">Does that also mean that we n=
eed two separate gismu for &quot;to buy&quot; and &quot;to sell&quot;?</spa=
n></div>
</div></blockquote></div><div>This is a good question. I considered the pos=
sibility of wanting to have this since &quot;sell&quot; is somewhat of an a=
gentive verb in English (sure, a grocery store selling something isn&#39;t =
particularly agentive, but a car salesman selling something is), which if {=
te vecnu} is really &quot;buy&quot; rather than &quot;is sold&quot; isn&#39=
;t reflected in the semantics of {vecnu}.</div>

<div><br></div><div>At any rate, this is a marked inconsistency either way;=
 if {selsumji} is adequate for subtraction then {selpilji} is adequate for =
division.</div><div class=3D"im"><div><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;=
a mu&#39;o</div>

</div></div><br></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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