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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 11:04:49 -0300
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On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la .van. cu cusku di'e
>
> I agree with iesk here: If you write down a stream of spoken text,
>> you should also include voice hints:
>>
>> <serious low-pitched voice> .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i
>> mutce frica
>> <ignorant child voice> .i ma do prali lonu do ponse lo tarci
>>
>> Now, there _is_ an indication of speaker change.
>>
>
> It is, but it's not Lojban. Text and speech is supposed to match.
>
>
Since neither the "=97" in the written form, nor the change in voice in the
spoken form are part of the Lojban text, where is the mismatch? They are
both extratextual enhancements to aid in comprehension. If you plan to read
it in a monotone voice it will be hard to follow, but it would also be hard
to follow for a reader if the text was written without any spaces and
line-breaks.

You could also read the "=97" as "ni'o" or some new member of NIhO that mea=
nt
"new speaker", in which case the "=97" would become part of the text.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">la .van. cu cusku di&#39;e<div class=3D"im"><br></div><div=
 class=3D"im">
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">
I agree with iesk here: If you write down a stream of spoken text,<br>
you should also include voice hints:<br>
<br>
&lt;serious low-pitched voice&gt; .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi&#39;e turni=
 .i mutce frica<br>
&lt;ignorant child voice&gt; .i ma do prali lonu do ponse lo tarci<br>
<br>
Now, there _is_ an indication of speaker change.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
It is, but it&#39;s not Lojban. Text and speech is supposed to match.<div c=
lass=3D""><div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v style>Since neither the &quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-fami=
ly:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=97&quot; in the written form, nor the =
change in voice in the spoken form are part of the Lojban text, where is th=
e mismatch? They are both extratextual enhancements to aid in comprehension=
. If you plan to read it in a monotone voice it will be hard to follow, but=
 it would also be hard to follow for a reader if the text was written witho=
ut any spaces and line-breaks.=A0</span></div>
<div style><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80=
);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You could also read the &quo=
t;</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:13px">=97&quot; as &quot;ni&#39;o&quot; or some new member of NIhO t=
hat meant &quot;new speaker&quot;, in which case the &quot;</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=97&q=
uot; would become part of the text.</span></div>
<div style><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><font color=3D"#500050" face=3D"=
arial, sans-serif">mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</font></div><div style><font co=
lor=3D"#500050" face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div></div></div></div>

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