Received: from mail-lb0-f192.google.com ([209.85.217.192]:32862) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UOV1l-0000UE-4H for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:27:42 -0700 Received: by mail-lb0-f192.google.com with SMTP id w20sf1404599lbh.19 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:27:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=KFS2eSxa4uodxNIDzPZUNFrraluqbJY1lZ7qQ1bcgmY=; b=qufjucjwN0j7fdbZbqHqTZxd4Qg8teAhVyEF5bVZ7T8p7ZJqfkDNc/tTS3Gr1znmvy oggLBcI2UiBOJJAq52AYuMGTO8GCGfSuxruc1EAYA6roKDCHKSzaUmOwZu1iZS3Rf8AV OZC3bo5/6vo/S7EWD0TKW6B+IeJLKtbRPMrRPX8s+NWFhEwSSbD5esDYkhdClk2bsRCr SSwOOGRw9b4sXnmaKEGprnT5gjjy+sbRWkdJGVeP6aetzph3tH/7Ez+2DN853SDMidRJ 8QhX1x2zM4+CjhAJSbXp0YtxU5b88Tf3kY0VWVktK+5Qu4x8boGQ88sLXrgpgh4yI8X/ Prpw== X-Received: by 10.180.24.201 with SMTP id w9mr236670wif.1.1365255802410; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.72.238 with SMTP id g14ls505756wiv.42.gmail; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:43:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.111.135 with SMTP id cj7mr16767023eeb.0.1365255802024; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 47si3205630eeh.1.2013.04.06.06.43.21 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4db805c0.pool.mediaWays.net [77.184.5.192]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1EB3A8600AC for ; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 15:43:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 15:43:20 +0200 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru Message-ID: <20130406134320.GA24206@samsa.fritz.box> References: <515C66D0.60501@gmx.de> <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 02:30:52PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: > Would you prefer >=20 > =E2=80=94 .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica > =E2=80=94 .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci >=20 > to be _read_ as: >=20 > or b) > .i =C2=ABlu lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica li'u=C2=BB > .i =C2=ABlu ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci li'u=C2=BB How does this solve your problem? It still doesn't properly indicate a speaker change and adds additional words. I don't see any reason to prefer that to your other proposal. If you want to indicate the speaker change, you should do it properly with = something like {sei ny cusku} and that would add a bulk of text not present in the or= iginal. > a) > .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica > .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci >=20 > (that is, no indication of speaker change whatsoever) I agree with iesk here: If you write down a stream of spoken text, you should also include voice hints: .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce = frica .i ma do prali lonu do ponse lo tarci Now, there _is_ an indication of speaker change. v4hn --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFgJngACgkQMBKLZs4+wjwl9QCgh/xWdTRKn8C6AMzlVAdi76Lq R2kAnAxYNuOILSkx9ymiVHHNL9SjFpTU =1Qg4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU--