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[212.227.15.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h48si1657703eeu.0.2013.04.06.06.51.22; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 06:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.19; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.35]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LosgX-1V5FOD0D9v-00glGT for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 15:51:22 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Apr 2013 13:51:21 -0000 Received: from p54AF4136.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.65.54] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 06 Apr 2013 15:51:21 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18XkSsBzAoXAXO/6FmSjfWQGbLl20aw8ml5OFmzYv Ph6dSSH2lGmdD+ Message-ID: <51602858.6090305@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 15:51:20 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru References: <515C66D0.60501@gmx.de> <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> <20130406134320.GA24206@samsa.fritz.box> In-Reply-To: <20130406134320.GA24206@samsa.fritz.box> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la .van. cu cusku di'e > On Sat, Apr 06, 2013 at 02:30:52PM +0200, selpa'i wrote: >> Would you prefer >> >> =97 .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica >> =97 .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci >> >> to be _read_ as: >> >> or b) >> .i =ABlu lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica li'u=BB >> .i =ABlu ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci li'u=BB > > How does this solve your problem? > It still doesn't properly indicate a speaker change and adds additional > words. I don't see any reason to prefer that to your other proposal. > If you want to indicate the speaker change, you should do it properly wit= h something > like {sei ny cusku} and that would add a bulk of text not present in the = original. It solves the problem to the extent that we now know where each quote=20 begins and ends, which was not possible before. Adding extra information=20 like {sei ny cusku} is rather out of the question. >> a) >> .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica >> .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci >> >> (that is, no indication of speaker change whatsoever) > > I agree with iesk here: If you write down a stream of spoken text, > you should also include voice hints: > > .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutc= e frica > .i ma do prali lonu do ponse lo tarci > > Now, there _is_ an indication of speaker change. It is, but it's not Lojban. Text and speech is supposed to match. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.