Received: from mail-yh0-f57.google.com ([209.85.213.57]:61508) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UOV9E-0000Ys-Qx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:35:30 -0700 Received: by mail-yh0-f57.google.com with SMTP id m1sf172565yhg.12 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=5s7TiQkbbHGCiVpajHwRkmByM79KMJ82SKeDdIwWcPs=; b=ICy5abQg+4VQ59O1Yq3pqjpRwxC1hGVh4OcjSvHU+P5E2N/VEhUFU9fOQGqWLWzaMt B4WR6IG6c/IqxWY2kyvg+jqQAfXNPpcAWY/mGlsn/87iKrUVqmQwNsoO8FtoUt3Ff2mK br4A2+Ben7nJMX0GQNINRZdI3HlTZfU/DzKQnuAV859/KWnpWAhsNwZIzNPwn5DzcF8L 1DQe/MY+Zfrdnu5BxFSsMvYzMcYKjWML18j+wsWxP5xDEzYY0waGrhc/ZozTtTmuKvkn JAlN1DmePZhKEgj4LfXJlSbvI9o3UK1Ctu9hEFt2Z0lIN3salld/DGAzJ0GIe7IQKCTS kSXw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=5s7TiQkbbHGCiVpajHwRkmByM79KMJ82SKeDdIwWcPs=; b=JF1wJ2Snr449WAInKPrxTbcBc4nM4Uf02eYOZOvatxD8aVH8uF7kyyZD0q6yYjnnS8 j/1nlqNXxGTBOQO8rSjME+sIZFQMLzcJ0ctTUfHOxPxo+o9HYJD/iLGVep+ArRsvqo8M DimfTWZ5PO+Ga2WKkYcepU6vr9F3jScQwjoNVlsoF2f/om5yMZ/XWcTzq4V7t4cyh2yh s4Vu/ripDAOyucsadHDymMp+vhq8taOIoVh1GP2R+f2pyrZhYffZX60iz8VaHcIiM0tq hpZ6oz7I+NrUCL3tq5Mic108ehfTqzmrpElusBqoqUz/t8Q/hIA2z7FRFdoIndxR6ebX BvnA== X-Received: by 10.50.170.68 with SMTP id ak4mr367450igc.1.1365252754516; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.42.226 with SMTP id r2ls1188340igl.2.gmail; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.130.9 with SMTP id oa9mr2831514igb.1.1365252753634; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oa0-f50.google.com (mail-oa0-f50.google.com [209.85.219.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id iw8si751671igc.1.2013.04.06.05.52.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of braden.shepherdson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.50; Received: by mail-oa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id n1so4888166oag.9 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.156.103 with SMTP id wd7mr10692751obb.33.1365252753299; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.76.84.70 with HTTP; Sat, 6 Apr 2013 05:52:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> References: <515C66D0.60501@gmx.de> <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 08:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru From: Braden Shepherdson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: braden.shepherdson@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of braden.shepherdson@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=braden.shepherdson@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0444e83563a21404d9b0ad82 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0444e83563a21404d9b0ad82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have in the past used a text-to-speech engine (for English) to make poor man's audiobooks of fanfiction and similar for listening on road trips. The better engines insert good pauses between sequences of quotations, but it's still sometimes hard to tell, and it makes the story difficult to follow, especially if the back-and-forth is swift. I would prefer your option b) over a). On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 8:30 AM, selpa'i wrote: > la selpa'i cu cusku di'e > > coi do'u >> >> I have a question regarding audio-visual isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru. >> > > [... li'o sa'a] > >> Should "=97" here be considered a "forethought" pair of =ABlu li'u=BB? I= 'm >> tending towards reading it that way. >> > > I'd really like to get some opinions on this. > > Would you prefer > > > =97 .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica > =97 .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci > > to be _read_ as: > > > a) > > .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica > .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci > > (that is, no indication of speaker change whatsoever) > > or b) > .i =ABlu lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica li'u=BB > .i =ABlu ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci li'u=BB > > or c) > some other way (in which case I'd like to know how). > > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban?hl=3Den > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out > . > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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I have in the past used a text-to-speech engine (for Engli= sh) to make poor man's audiobooks of fanfiction and similar for listeni= ng on road trips. The better engines insert good pauses between sequences o= f quotations, but it's still sometimes hard to tell, and it makes the s= tory difficult to follow, especially if the back-and-forth is swift.

I would prefer your option b) over a).


On Sat, Apr 6, 20= 13 at 8:30 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la selpa'i cu cusku di'e

coi do'u

I have a question regarding audio-visual isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru.
> [... li'o sa'a]
Should "=97" here be considered a "forethought" pair of= =ABlu li'u=BB? I'm
tending towards reading it that way.

I'd really like to get some opinions on this.

Would you prefer


=97 .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica
=97 .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci

to be _read_ as:


a)

.i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica
.i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci

(that is, no indication of speaker change whatsoever)

or b)
.i =ABlu lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica li'u=BB<= br> .i =ABlu ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci li'u=BB

or c)
some other way (in which case I'd like to know how).


mu'o mi'e la selpa'i


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