Received: from mail-pa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.220.64]:40403) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UOVHM-0000e9-2X for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:43:55 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id fb10sf1446260pad.29 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 08:43:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jZLuFRdFHedqR/ZDBrOCqMnc91HHHRUVH8T/CN4D6W0=; b=scMwG91Aqf37w8QI2T3MtKwoveZxKH+OF/pcje/wJwVFUSUdnldGmY8YdjOT3y+fvr FKop8q29b+Dmbj18KOd3PtBX6b5DJx8XHfFK39bVJiLulIOlLJ6/pwNmnhyZdc7W1iKT XBidaz6BzzZekuMMATdIv081SXFpW65YizN+Dx9Zz74LMx7U1uWPcVXTe6ElmRZRUS1s RhjvD9Cy7Tn3BYcX3gQhYr4ZP/SvMwNmAAnpK0qRRatHqCGtMQkShBsq/onlulE9V4u5 NG7J2lQwt2YLINSvfHmmpQk6rNd7R2YS/ygJIgryd74XK4NeSWBIb8V0ppH9cJV863j+ NIeA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jZLuFRdFHedqR/ZDBrOCqMnc91HHHRUVH8T/CN4D6W0=; b=m8fvNk1g3VHLqs4sJtvgfJe2ndBu9QICgSfrTxQUpcBpDcpsq7Pf+KW/YisVLT3ORM uvhl0RvXbl/JG+gvXPkQH5lTckx0mwRWumrDMkjS/Xen4HovsKFOXG7Dx7QEtHSNEXgH YlZu6h/Emo5UjukTYZHp7UnTi5XPGU9THazsDw/Co6K/OFMLjAjeqQnE1SK23FmrD0Ef 800kaQX6JN9sp5UybQJBTMHEneA7uruqCEsMXoSy+N4sTB+xtoIpG98mUIZsiIWxFaZP eoIke4PazHmtP1N7TnmKCjthgi7UqESkmmQ7+zi6bRTJn4EUhB6DfaoZ3YZDefNntic8 meLQ== X-Received: by 10.49.41.65 with SMTP id d1mr1240148qel.11.1365252903280; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:55:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.102 with SMTP id 6ls2418145qed.24.gmail; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:55:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.85.35 with SMTP id e3mr1292040qez.7.1365252902339; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 05:55:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 05:55:01 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <3a23a5be-9e0e-4bd3-8194-637015145888@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> References: <515C66D0.60501@gmx.de> <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [lojban] Isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_190_28899720.1365252901829" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_190_28899720.1365252901829 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, April 6, 2013 4:30:52 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote: > > la selpa'i cu cusku di'e=20 > > coi do'u=20 > >=20 > > I have a question regarding audio-visual isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru= .=20 > > [... li'o sa'a]=20 > > Should "=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD" here be considered a "forethought" pair of = =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlu li'u=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD?=20 > I'm=20 > > tending towards reading it that way.=20 > > I'd really like to get some opinions on this.=20 > > Would you prefer=20 > > =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica= =20 > =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci=20 > > to be _read_ as:=20 > > > a)=20 > .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica=20 > .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci=20 > > (that is, no indication of speaker change whatsoever)=20 > > or b)=20 > .i =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlu lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica= li'u=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD=20 > .i =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlu ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci li'u=C3=AF=C2= =BF=C2=BD=20 > > or c)=20 > some other way (in which case I'd like to know how).=20 > mi nelci lo nuxalk tasm= i=20 si tadji noi srana zo'oi k=CA=B7 poi simsa lu sei li'o li'u i sa'u pilno lu "- sei se cusku li'o" li'u ja no da i va'i lo pamoi se stidi cu zmadu > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20 > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Saturday, April 6, 2013 4:30:52 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:la selpa'i cu cusku di'e
> coi do'u
>
> I have a question regarding audio-visual isomorphism in lo cmalu n= oltru.
 > [... li'o sa'a]
> Should "=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD" here be considered a "forethought" pai= r of =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlu li'u=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD? I'm
> tending towards reading it that way.

I'd really like to get some opinions on this.

Would you prefer

=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica
=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci

to be _read_ as:


a)
.i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica
.i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci

(that is, no indication of speaker change whatsoever)

or b)
.i =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlu lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce fri= ca li'u=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD
.i =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDlu ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci li'u=C3=AF= =C2=BF=C2=BD

or c)
some other way (in which case I'd like to know how).

mi nelci lo nuxalk tasmi si tadji noi= srana zo'oi k=CA=B7 = poi simsa lu sei li'o li'u
i sa'u pilno lu "- sei se cusku= li'o" li'u ja no da
i va'i lo pamoi se stidi cu zmadu
=


mu'o mi'e la selpa'i


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