Received: from mail-ie0-f187.google.com ([209.85.223.187]:46129) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UOVXr-0000o8-1L for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:00:57 -0700 Received: by mail-ie0-f187.google.com with SMTP id k11sf1493533iea.24 for ; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:00:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=y62FTrfZEpY2Qg7rZ5bpN+Cc1bC7VqGpk0iX2q4xjbY=; b=pF78miXeB+7pHYHpKVKRulJxmQ837U2Oes2i9Is5IzH4OxqqDM1InQxiitcDYnRWSF U2Th/XhlDh6yx9jXc9xNb9WoqJRicfz4MgijRrYqx1CJfkcWDPuJeIpzKWhGqCmjtYe5 SeZnx1NDKwS44sNWLIbEtHWXGXIlWEkLVPah3K9mQbkaiA9sOJf653NfGZ9nQ9/I7CrJ I/lfL4UtC7uG211gbSigcWX02EvX2XKnHkzIgFnlg4zRIM/jEbmGZc2wSogSVE8oVAvS iLi4r9UPJ2D4LOBXFPEmvBa8VsoQbE7W6i9aCmVrw43SasPRyqBLQon9qAB9Ie6cdooJ hCQg== X-Received: by 10.49.2.170 with SMTP id 10mr993418qev.40.1365264040718; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:00:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.127.111 with SMTP id nf15ls2481912qeb.25.gmail; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.27.102 with SMTP id s6mr1279786qeg.1.1365264039777; Sat, 06 Apr 2013 09:00:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2013 09:00:38 -0700 (PDT) From: iesk To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <4712e532-18c7-4495-86fd-e59a01963581@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5160394B.4070509@gmx.de> References: <515C66D0.60501@gmx.de> <5160157C.6020401@gmx.de> <5160394B.4070509@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [lojban] Isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: pa.fae@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la selpa'i: >I'm not saying you must pronounce the=20 >text in amonotone voice; I'm saying voice=20 >shouldn't matter one way or the other. >but the text mustn't lose any information=20 >if you subtract from it all those nuances=20 >in your speech pattern. I'm not usually into relativising everything to death, but, clearly, that i= s an ideal---or a chimaera. An absence, too, of particular nuances in your = speech pattern is information. I think I understand what you are saying, though. >All you need to do is imagine an=20 >implicit "sei X cusku" in the=20 >appropriate places. O.K. But I mean, if Lojban 'standard procedure', or literature convention, = were to use {lu}/{li'u}, then their intentional non-usage per se would be p= otentially meaningful/interpretable. (This is somehow parallel to the stuff= above about [absence of] voice patterns.) The question is: Is there an established Lojban standard procedure for text= s like lo cmalu noltru? Possibly, I don't read enough Lojban to know. (Hope= fully will.) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.