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I suggest a cmavo that means "different speaker" or something similar.
{ni'o} doesn't really do this.

stevo


On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:

> I am undecided on which way I would prefer. Option b) is probably clearer
> than option a). And 'forethought {lu}/{li'u}' *is* a sensible
> interpretation of the function of those dashes.
>
> However:
> Lojban grammar does (as far as I know) *not* provide a way to indicate
> voice inflection [voice modulation? English is an L2 to me] in written
> text. Isomorphism has its limits. I'm quite sure that that has been clear
> from the beginning.
>
> The assumption
>
> (LASELPAhI:)>It is, but it's not Lojban. Text and speech is supposed to
> match.
>
> could easily be a first step in the wrong direction---leading to the
> 'Lojban has to be spoken in a monotonous computer voice' fallacy, couldn't
> it?
>
> (The fallacy I have in mind is:
> Lojban has a.v. isomorphism.
> Lojban has no voice-modulation cmavo or whatever.
> Thus, Lojban is to be read without voice modulation.)
>
> I don't see why reading (interpreting) the text with appropriate voice
> inflection would't be a Lojban performance. And that, I opine, could be the
> most pleasing kind of performance, to the listener.
>
> By the way:
> If we do take isomorphism (in the limited-thus-sensible sense) seriously,
> don't we then have to ask what it means that the text *doesn't* indicate
> speaker change by means of {lu}/{li'u} (while it could as well do so)? I
> mean, supposing of course that the translator did that on purpose and not
> by oversight, it could be a stylistically slightly weird text---like an
> English text without punctuation.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I suggest a cmavo that means &quot;different speaker&quot;=
 or something similar. {ni&#39;o} doesn&#39;t really do this.=A0<div><br></=
div><div>stevo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">

On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM, iesk <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:pa.fae@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">pa.fae@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

I am undecided on which way I would prefer. Option b) is probably clearer t=
han option a). And &#39;forethought {lu}/{li&#39;u}&#39; *is* a sensible in=
terpretation of the function of those dashes.<br>
<br>
However:<br>
Lojban grammar does (as far as I know) *not* provide a way to indicate voic=
e inflection [voice modulation? English is an L2 to me] in written text. Is=
omorphism has its limits. I&#39;m quite sure that that has been clear from =
the beginning.<br>


<br>
The assumption<br>
<br>
(LASELPAhI:)&gt;It is, but it&#39;s not Lojban. Text and speech is supposed=
 to match.<br>
<br>
could easily be a first step in the wrong direction---leading to the &#39;L=
ojban has to be spoken in a monotonous computer voice&#39; fallacy, couldn&=
#39;t it?<br>
<br>
(The fallacy I have in mind is:<br>
Lojban has a.v. isomorphism.<br>
Lojban has no voice-modulation cmavo or whatever.<br>
Thus, Lojban is to be read without voice modulation.)<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t see why reading (interpreting) the text with appropriate voice =
inflection would&#39;t be a Lojban performance. And that, I opine, could be=
 the most pleasing kind of performance, to the listener.<br>
<br>
By the way:<br>
If we do take isomorphism (in the limited-thus-sensible sense) seriously, d=
on&#39;t we then have to ask what it means that the text *doesn&#39;t* indi=
cate speaker change by means of {lu}/{li&#39;u} (while it could as well do =
so)? I mean, supposing of course that the translator did that on purpose an=
d not by oversight, it could be a stylistically slightly weird text---like =
an English text without punctuation.<br>


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