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Subject: Re: [lojban] Isomorphism in lo cmalu noltru
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 Content preview:  BTW I somehow totally overlooked xorxes's post, with which
    I agree. Le samedi 6 avril 2013 16:04:49 UTC+2, xorxes a écrit : > > Since
    neither the "—" in the written form, nor the change in voice in the > spoken
    form are part of the Lojban text, where is the mismatch? They are > both
   extratextual enhancements to aid in comprehension. If you plan to read > it
    in a monotone voice it will be hard to follow, but it would also be hard
   > to follow for a reader if the text was written without any spaces and >
   line-breaks. > > You could also read the "—" as "ni'o" or some new member
   of NIhO that > meant "new speaker", in which case the "—" would become part
    of the text. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > I conclude that spoken Lojban is indeed
    not (and cannot be) the same communication system as written Lojban, similar
    to the situation with 'normal' languages, and that a.v. isomorphism only
   means that the overlapping part is arguably greater than in 'normal' languages.
    ;) [...] 
 
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BTW I somehow totally overlooked xorxes's post, with which I agree.

Le samedi 6 avril 2013 16:04:49 UTC+2, xorxes a =E9crit :
>
> Since neither the "=97" in the written form, nor the change in voice in t=
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> spoken form are part of the Lojban text, where is the mismatch? They are=
=20
> both extratextual enhancements to aid in comprehension. If you plan to re=
ad=20
> it in a monotone voice it will be hard to follow, but it would also be ha=
rd=20
> to follow for a reader if the text was written without any spaces and=20
> line-breaks.=20
>
> You could also read the "=97" as "ni'o" or some new member of NIhO that=
=20
> meant "new speaker", in which case the "=97" would become part of the tex=
t.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
>
I conclude that spoken Lojban is indeed not (and cannot be) the same=20
communication system as written Lojban, similar to the situation with=20
'normal' languages, and that a.v. isomorphism only means that the=20
overlapping part is arguably greater than in 'normal' languages. ;)

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BTW I somehow totally overlooked xorxes's post, with which I agree.<br><br>=
Le samedi 6 avril 2013 16:04:49 UTC+2, xorxes a =E9crit&nbsp;:<blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_q=
uote"><div></div><div>Since neither the "<span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);=
font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=97" in the written form, nor =
the change in voice in the spoken form are part of the Lojban text, where i=
s the mismatch? They are both extratextual enhancements to aid in comprehen=
sion. If you plan to read it in a monotone voice it will be hard to follow,=
 but it would also be hard to follow for a reader if the text was written w=
ithout any spaces and line-breaks.&nbsp;</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-famil=
y:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">You could also read the "</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">=97"=
 as "ni'o" or some new member of NIhO that meant "new speaker", in which ca=
se the "</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-ser=
if;font-size:13px">=97" would become part of the text.</span></div>
<div><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:13px"><br></span></div><div><font color=3D"#500050" face=3D"arial, sans-=
serif">mu'o mi'e xorxes</font></div><div><font color=3D"#500050" face=3D"ar=
ial, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I=
 conclude that spoken Lojban is indeed not (and cannot be) the same communi=
cation system as written Lojban, similar to the situation with 'normal' lan=
guages, and that a.v. isomorphism only means that the overlapping part is a=
rguably greater than in 'normal' languages. ;)<br></div>

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