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The tap sound was made with my tap shoes. I agree however with xorxes' idea of creating a new member of NIhO that=20 means "different speaker".=20 =20 > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i=20 > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_266_26665860.1365297066648 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Le samedi 6 avril 2013 21:30:52 UTC+9, selpa'i a =E9crit :la selpa'i cu cusku di'e
> coi do'u
>
> I have a question regarding audio-visual isomorphism in lo cmalu n= oltru.
 > [... li'o sa'a]
> Should "=EF=BF=BD" here be considered a "forethought" pair of =EF= =BF=BDlu li'u=EF=BF=BD? I'm
> tending towards reading it that way.

I'd really like to get some opinions on this.

Would you prefer

=EF=BF=BD .i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica
=EF=BF=BD .i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci

to be _read_ as:


a)
.i lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica
.i ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci

(that is, no indication of speaker change whatsoever)

or b)
.i =EF=BF=BDlu lo nolraitru cu ponse nagi'e turni .i mutce frica li'u= =EF=BF=BD
.i =EF=BF=BDlu ma do prali lo nu do ponse lo tarci li'u=EF=BF=BD

or c)
some other way (in which case I'd like to know how).


For your information, I did c) for my = show at ponjo jbonunsla:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DrV1TlMA= mlWk

I made one tap when a different spea= ker begins speaking, and two taps when the speaker finishes speak= ing.
The tap sound was made with my tap shoes.

I agree however with xorxes' idea of creating a new member of N= IhO that means "different speaker". 

 
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i


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