Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2013 05:51:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: "Any" and {ro}
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On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:35:28 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:
>
> I couldn't reply to the post <https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/e1=
QaF7iQv1o/discussion>(due=20
> to server error every time i tried to send my reply) so I'm creating=20
> another topic.
>
> This is really an interesting question.
> *Any* ideas of how to express "any" in Lojban?
> I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and "each/every/all"=20
> ({ro}) but I can't describe it.
>

Well, I've got two links.

http://migmaq.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/McCulloch-2012-Migmaq-Indefini=
tes-handout-for-OWNAL1.pdf
http://www.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/bla/beyondsem2011/aguilar_final.p=
df

This is the exhaustive (as of 2012 ;) ) list of examples that describe the=
=20
difference between *some* and *any*.

a. SK speci=EF=AC=81c known Somebody called. Guess who?
b. SU speci=EF=AC=81c unknown I heard something, but I couldn=E2=80=99t tel=
l what it was.
c. IR irrealis You must try somewhere else.
d. Q question Did anybody tell you anything about it?
e. CA conditional antecedent If you see anybody, tell me immediately.
f. CO comparative John is taller than anybody.
g. DN direct negation John didn=E2=80=99t see anybody.
h. AM anti-morphic I don=E2=80=99t think that anybody knows the answer.
i. AA anti-additive The bank avoided taking any decision.
j. FC free choice You may kiss anybody.
k. UFC universal free choice John kissed any woman with red hair.
l. GEN generic Any dog has four legs.
m. IND Indiscriminative I don't want to sleep with just anybody anymore.


It seems that "any" is a non-problem. Do you* za'o *have problems with=20
translating these examples?

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<br><br>On Wednesday, August 15, 2012 4:35:28 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:<blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-=
left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">I couldn't reply to the <a href=3D=
"https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/e1QaF7iQv1o/discussion" target=3D=
"_blank">post&nbsp;</a>(due to server error every time i tried to send my r=
eply)&nbsp;so I'm creating another topic.<div><br></div><div><div>This is r=
eally an interesting question.</div><div>*Any* ideas of how to express "any=
" in Lojban?</div><div>I can clearly feel the difference between "any" and =
"each/every/all" ({ro}) but I can't describe it.</div></div></blockquote><d=
iv><br></div><div>Well, I've got two links.</div><div><br>http://migmaq.org=
/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/McCulloch-2012-Migmaq-Indefinites-handout-for-O=
WNAL1.pdf<br></div><div>http://www.linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/bla/beyon=
dsem2011/aguilar_final.pdf<br></div><div><br></div><div>This is the exhaust=
ive (as of 2012 ;) ) list of examples that describe the difference between =
<i>some</i> and <i>any</i>.</div><div><br></div><div>a. SK speci=EF=AC=81c =
known Somebody called. Guess who?</div><div>b. SU speci=EF=AC=81c unknown I=
 heard something, but I couldn=E2=80=99t tell what it was.</div><div>c. IR =
irrealis You must try somewhere else.</div><div>d. Q question Did anybody t=
ell you anything about it?</div><div>e. CA conditional antecedent If you se=
e anybody, tell me immediately.</div><div>f. CO comparative John is taller =
than anybody.</div><div>g. DN direct negation John didn=E2=80=99t see anybo=
dy.</div><div>h. AM anti-morphic I don=E2=80=99t think that anybody knows t=
he answer.</div><div>i. AA anti-additive The bank avoided taking any decisi=
on.</div><div>j. FC free choice You may kiss anybody.</div><div>k. UFC univ=
ersal free choice John kissed any woman with red hair.</div><div>l. GEN gen=
eric Any dog has four legs.</div><div>m. IND Indiscriminative I don't want =
to sleep with just anybody anymore.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div=
>It seems that "any" is a non-problem. Do you<i> za'o </i>have problems wit=
h translating these examples?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left: 1ex;"><div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:=
0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);=
border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"></blockquote></div></blockquote>

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