Received: from mail-ye0-f185.google.com ([209.85.213.185]:55488) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UP2Pv-0002Ih-Jb for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:06:56 -0700 Received: by mail-ye0-f185.google.com with SMTP id m3sf1823566yen.22 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:06:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:from:to:subject:date :message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=BR/ZNflgmjo0w77JlHMGFYAdNVoeWpG4Mx+0Rg5ZpNk=; b=V8UHhZeYcBTFYYAJIRTXpGEljwpWzlZu9O4TS+7cYEpX5GRziz2lw1uWmTWKjs4XsI n1hsZXhC+io7VjCRePc2wFV3HzeBehpDYSi4k0D9EC+LIobuNTFqgu1++IsIdtdGw/2M bjDYuRkQgppwpBm9H4MZr4L+kqlRZNOm/l7qPGDq3UHCO58fI2VTHVEMdcH3eFOx424g mMEz1spLLUrS1r2XCmZ9RKsQQvS/Y8cvKDKIongc67ivZTDZJuIWzNADbOWDAAG4OEI0 akh08hTM1DSAqNxKui6OpeqU1gYx7A9iOxAg1q2wVdTEdpfZYNO2Q/y3jS1Y3M7MSQ5E 53bA== X-Received: by 10.49.27.5 with SMTP id p5mr680814qeg.32.1365390401431; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:06:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.127.195 with SMTP id ni3ls1785719qeb.1.gmail; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:06:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.25.175 with SMTP id z35mr9027994yhz.45.1365390399952; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q58si332245yhe.4.2013.04.07.20.06.39; Sun, 07 Apr 2013 20:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895272B42 for ; Sun, 7 Apr 2013 23:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: "Any" and {ro} Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 23:06:37 -0400 Message-ID: <2114901.tOamEWu4Il@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-39-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <7a655b75-18fe-47ea-8a34-aec3ba934fbf@googlegroups.com> References: <44e6fb5c-91f3-47ba-817c-8560c9c6ca14@googlegroups.com> <7a655b75-18fe-47ea-8a34-aec3ba934fbf@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, April 07, 2013 05:51:05 la gleki wrote: > a. SK speci=EF=AC=81c known Somebody called. Guess who? > b. SU speci=EF=AC=81c unknown I heard something, but I couldn=E2=80=99t t= ell what it was. > c. IR irrealis You must try somewhere else. > d. Q question Did anybody tell you anything about it? > e. CA conditional antecedent If you see anybody, tell me immediately. > f. CO comparative John is taller than anybody. > g. DN direct negation John didn=E2=80=99t see anybody. > h. AM anti-morphic I don=E2=80=99t think that anybody knows the answer. > i. AA anti-additive The bank avoided taking any decision. > j. FC free choice You may kiss anybody. > k. UFC universal free choice John kissed any woman with red hair. > l. GEN generic Any dog has four legs. > m. IND Indiscriminative I don't want to sleep with just anybody anymore. >=20 >=20 > It seems that "any" is a non-problem. Do you* za'o *have problems with > translating these examples? Of these, I don't understand CO (my usage allows "everybody" or "somebody",= =20 but not "anybody"), and I don't know how to translate UFC or IND. The rest = I=20 do not have any problem with. a. da fonta'a .i ko smadi lo du'u da mokau b. mi tirna da .iku'i na ga'ezga da makau c. do troci tu'a lo drata .ei selzva d. xu da jungau do de tu? e. ganai da'i do viska da gizibo ko jungau mi (this doesn't parse, and I'm = not=20 sure where to put "zibo") g. la .djan. na viska da h. mi jinvi lodu'u noda djuno le danfu i. roda zo'u le banxa cu rivbi lo nu jdice da j. roda zo'u curmi lo nu do cinba da l. lo'e gerku cu se tuple voda mu'omi'e .pier. --=20 Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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