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Subject: [lojban] Final state of cenba/zenba/etc.
From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
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Today I wanted to say "liquid water freezes when its temperature is
decreased to 273 K" and "solid water melts when its temperature is
increased to 273 K" and then quickly realized that {cenba} and friends
don't have a final state place. {galfi} does, but is causal, which isn't
really what's desired here. It has the undesirable "concrete binxo"
undertones, too. Just {co'a} here isn't good enough, either; part of the
point is that its temperature was higher (resp. lower) before and was
decreased (resp. increased) to cause the phase transition.

Any ideas? Also, why is the resultative/causal distinction made explicit in
the notes, but only 3 of the 4 permutations of the concept have gismu?

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br>Today I wanted to say &quot;liquid water freezes =
when its temperature is decreased to 273 K&quot; and &quot;solid water melt=
s when its temperature is increased to 273 K&quot; and then quickly realize=
d that {cenba} and friends don&#39;t have a final state place. {galfi} does=
, but is causal, which isn&#39;t really what&#39;s desired here. It has the=
 undesirable &quot;concrete binxo&quot; undertones, too. Just {co&#39;a} he=
re isn&#39;t good enough, either; part of the point is that its temperature=
 was higher (resp. lower) before and was decreased (resp. increased) to cau=
se the phase transition.<br>
<br></div><div>Any ideas? Also, why is the resultative/causal distinction m=
ade explicit in the notes, but only 3 of the 4 permutations of the concept =
have gismu?<br><br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div>
</div>

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