Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:51737) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UPe2Q-0002Aw-Be for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:17:15 -0700 Received: by mail-bk0-f61.google.com with SMTP id q16sf1969636bkw.26 for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:16:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-authenticated :x-provags-id:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=E9ONAD/nZ1R90a5IuecJr9OQofK0u+z1YrG8MtNc1yg=; b=c3x5c194GvC9zl/FliHJtk+YymLh0Mhu/bxyEu5kfXayUyGREiN+b8V/aLgXE5UDSx IMhzjMw+Xd60+fwcVJgJb8Oq/oySmCj8fDbZJKQxEdkzJhoAqUz+Xh9pEyv+v/LCxbqp o5vKQ7M6rVmvBjzGQQDv0AzCXZ4dQeRaut07FyTbtxqpnntZeOfGc/C6kUM31d6kEZKb Ya1zp+JX+ovuUT+zVV+vl8S2HHAw8d9L4FOm1WTvd0hD8KlUf0DoZVqs0ELRnoYhR0wk fNpU3y9tjyLU6jJH/zKAQ8VtzEqX66Q33dfgmTrR+bBRgfVKje9fl/50pNE7HJENhy8U hnog== X-Received: by 10.180.99.71 with SMTP id eo7mr1455382wib.13.1365535014762; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:16:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.103.3 with SMTP id fs3ls1461288wib.48.gmail; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.15.44.6 with SMTP id y6mr29795715eev.3.1365535013442; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.15.18]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d43si392065eeu.1.2013.04.09.12.16.53; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.15.18; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.17]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MJqWY-1UOY6a3l1Y-0019sL for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:16:53 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Apr 2013 19:16:52 -0000 Received: from p54AF49B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.73.179] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 09 Apr 2013 21:16:52 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/MShhaU+7MRtgWZuEAWEP81lZyFy9v/d15n9iKkR 3AOJRPZS6RdMWt Message-ID: <51646922.70406@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 21:16:50 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Final state of cenba/zenba/etc. References: In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.15.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la latro'a cu cusku di'e > Today I wanted to say "liquid water freezes when its temperature is > decreased to 273 K" Just to mention an option for this particular case: lo [litki] djacu cu dunja lo kelvo be li 273 > and "solid water melts when its temperature is > increased to 273 K" lo [sligu] djacu cu runme lo kelvo be li 273 > and then quickly realized that {cenba} and friends > don't have a final state place. {galfi} does, but is causal, which isn't > really what's desired here. It has the undesirable "concrete binxo" > undertones, too. Just {co'a} here isn't good enough, either; part of the > point is that its temperature was higher (resp. lower) before and was > decreased (resp. increased) to cause the phase transition. > Any ideas? How about: zenba [co'a ko'a] lo ka ma kau ni glare kei lo se sumji be li 273 [bei lo me ko'a moi] mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.