Received: from mail-pb0-f59.google.com ([209.85.160.59]:34631) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UPfej-000325-HK for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:00:47 -0700 Received: by mail-pb0-f59.google.com with SMTP id wz12sf286609pbc.4 for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:00:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-authenticated :x-provags-id:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dzOQ8zxl1yIYmgbrqbGv7g9QziQAJdd+DNde8oJ4qNc=; b=Z502r9u70CJIXCnolX6stf8SYyoujSO4+YFYAmpWxQwUhR3KkB4zW8Y2J/JSR09Uue o68Wk2FQPr+fDWGjyIXACTuo81PJdugfJaPm1NWR+XmymTYMNT8twE2e1O6u4OARR84j i0/OuX+CnBJdFnlfyadkavT7mwK+KvI37oQhw/gIHuR9JiF/wrcVw3GXaxTmWEPSbQXL p+0SoOOTxojmVPfeYjfJj6G/O9MR/V1W4l03xUeMpWDIg4OEKDoZ6cPOWUbhuqwm/qa7 7QZRTsi4vr4agQ08gyOZnFdawVTrPqafK6JP4NePEhG4k86JtVCwFcvGIDweJYN9wOqR TDOQ== X-Received: by 10.49.95.231 with SMTP id dn7mr1218259qeb.39.1365541234524; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:00:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.0.244 with SMTP id 20ls3974479qeh.77.gmail; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.37.36 with SMTP id x24mr13127467yha.35.1365541233771; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net. [212.227.17.21]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h30si204107yhi.1.2013.04.09.14.00.33; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 14:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) client-ip=212.227.17.21; Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.20]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Ll3wB-1UxuTc0AUP-00akqx for ; Tue, 09 Apr 2013 23:00:33 +0200 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Apr 2013 21:00:32 -0000 Received: from p54AF41D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [84.175.65.209] by mail.gmx.net (mp020) with SMTP; 09 Apr 2013 23:00:32 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/RSbM9D+zRNcdxmTKTZ53Jip2xnGeibi174bnUb6 F8L89x5h9Zszah Message-ID: <51648170.8070900@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 23:00:32 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130328 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Final state of cenba/zenba/etc. References: <51646922.70406@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 212.227.17.21 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / la latro'a cu cusku di'e > On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 3:16 PM, selpa'i How about: > > zenba [co'a ko'a] lo ka ma kau ni glare kei lo se sumji be li 273 > [bei lo me ko'a moi] > Valid but unnecessarily clumsy; you're being forced to describe the > subtraction when the actual content of the subtraction is essentially > superfluous. Also, I'd suggest: > zenba lo ka ce'u kelvo ma kau kei lo se sumji be li 273 > if we were going to use that structure anyway. Let {ni} be weird/vague, > use {ma kau} and numbers when you have precise things in mind. You can use {lo ka ce'u ma kau kelvo} in this case, but my suggestion was meant to be a general one. There isn't always a selbri you can use in place of that kelvo (because not every selbri has a scale/quantity place). Also, I prefer {ni} not to be "weird". mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.