Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 01:50:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: nu+roi question
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On Monday, April 15, 2013 5:37:58 AM UTC+4, Latro wrote:
>
> When I say {mi djica lo nu pa roi broda}, can the {lo nu} be plural? That 
> is, am I saying "I want broda to happen exactly once" ji "I want event(s) 
> of broda happening once (as opposed to habitually or some other TAhE) to 
> happen"? If the latter, how can we express the former? 
>
> This question came up when we tried to distinguish between "I hate that 
> you fight" and "I hate when you fight", which were questions posed by 
> gleki. One interpretation of the "that" version was {mi xebni lo nu do ta'e 
> damba}. The "when" version was similar but with a "time-local" TAhE, "I 
> hate the time-local events of you fighting". If {pa roi} does the latter 
> thing above, then {mi xebni lo [so'o] nu do pa roi damba} is a translation 
> of this interpretation of the "when" version. Otherwise I think there is a 
> TAhE to be proposed here.
>
> For completeness I should mention that {mi xebni lo du'u do damba} was 
> also proposed for the first case; I have mixed feelings about the 
> correctness of this, but would be interested to hear people's thoughts on 
> the matter.
>

1. I hate that you fight.
2. I hate when you fight.

The second sentence for me sounds like "I hate you as a fighter"/"I hate 
you being a fighter".
So we are in the same issue with "as" again.


> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>

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<br><br>On Monday, April 15, 2013 5:37:58 AM UTC+4, Latro wrote:<blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div>When I say {mi=
 djica lo nu pa roi broda}, can the {lo nu} be plural? That is, am I saying=
 "I want broda to happen exactly once" ji "I want event(s) of broda happeni=
ng once (as opposed to habitually or some other TAhE) to happen"? If the la=
tter, how can we express the former? <br>
<br></div>This question came up when we tried to distinguish between "I hat=
e that you fight" and "I hate when you fight", which were questions posed b=
y gleki. One interpretation of the "that" version was {mi xebni lo nu do ta=
'e damba}. The "when" version was similar but with a "time-local" TAhE, "I =
hate the time-local events of you fighting". If {pa roi} does the latter th=
ing above, then {mi xebni lo [so'o] nu do pa roi damba} is a translation of=
 this interpretation of the "when" version. Otherwise I think there is a TA=
hE to be proposed here.<br>
<br></div><div>For completeness I should mention that {mi xebni lo du'u do =
damba} was also proposed for the first case; I have mixed feelings about th=
e correctness of this, but would be interested to hear people's thoughts on=
 the matter.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>1. I hate that=
 you fight.</div><div>2. I hate when you fight.</div><div><br></div><div>Th=
e second sentence for me sounds like "I hate you as a fighter"/"I hate you =
being a fighter".</div><div>So we are in the same issue with "as" again.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex=
;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>
</div><div><br></div>mi'e la latro'a mu'o<br></div>
</blockquote>

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