Received: from mail-pd0-f185.google.com ([209.85.192.185]:51560) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1URt1s-0004dC-40 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:51 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f185.google.com with SMTP id z10sf1737841pdj.12 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=z9etgPTlwls8ROdDOodQw3Q616HIaTZ3STvLzS6TLKo=; b=czAlwT/pih/RVIdrdALZ9RPIHPwuwhmltTLbI91btdHkekwJMiO7SJG67y+FDcFOyH SYptvPS+cezHUpbKXM0GyzbbKWTArwFFjvpWLDzY5KxlqrymerjA9volndtgxAvjqAR6 snJPE5wwGsDix/H+s4tQAjnPOY43z0Kl4SxwyaNBphCJTH4Igc8HfIB3rfX5IducvIVI FDktQtHb2UZz6+niI2FeAFdyicdFq1WRBHR9QNSOoupTOlnjCBlsLPl0NZiOSPYraFwS vNVenXMNxcv0jHztaCm5h/cqvh3VEmI1X2kje/vaX/cZIFimI4DkVaNvmgIT/K9+kN9Y hFfA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=z9etgPTlwls8ROdDOodQw3Q616HIaTZ3STvLzS6TLKo=; b=sFRZJ/fg1HtFlPIpegA+OLeF7sqgKwEpqkxnd2kaufh7ekjsrWmooZalXi1sJT/1J5 7Nww71e/UhXWIf/XOkQFSQ+71FP43uvRhqqvs0AM5bXtEKNlijitnreGInA82FrdpJDK 7tekbS0pt459XC+piabUrmY/hDBDhRFWm6JZI2S4kf/QC14iEnFxKNk8+zBx9EAKUevv s3w+pzmJ2lbZtIbCK/A/MwAtZpRxhR3XzGrM1WhkX87dF9re968TkJNzXgnQtviZGYST LlBrWW63EqdxbJ7GjQygLeBsh1hIwbpod3G9U+66bbQJ02+hYzqD9KTdbe6SRlWNxxAo jAOA== X-Received: by 10.49.132.196 with SMTP id ow4mr700025qeb.28.1366069297494; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.14.9 with SMTP id l9ls58660qec.97.gmail; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.252.194 with SMTP id zu2mr9631947vec.23.1366069296983; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com (mail-vc0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e9si3060057vdi.2.2013.04.15.16.41.36 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169; Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hx10so4507547vcb.0 for ; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.178.161 with SMTP id cz1mr8876192vdc.7.1366069296855; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.50.147 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:41:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <516C8385.7060805@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 20:41:36 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] CLL, chapter 19, examples From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec519644b2db5be04da6ecbb4 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec519644b2db5be04da6ecbb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > They aren't questionable sentences. We know that they are (un)grammatical. > The first is grammatical if spoken and not if written, the second is the > reverse. > > It should be pointed out that both examples are grammatical, both in writen and spoken form, with the camxes grammar. While the issue that these examples are meant to illustrate still exists for camxes, these examples do not suffer from it, An example that would suffer from it might be "lo glico valsi po'u zoi mi me mi"/"lo glico valsi po'u zoi me me me". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. 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On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Jonathan Jones &= lt;eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
They aren't questionabl= e sentences. We know that they are (un)grammatical. The first is grammatica= l if spoken and not if written, the second is the reverse.


It should be pointed out that bot= h examples are grammatical, both in writen and spoken form, with the camxes= grammar. While the issue that these examples are meant to illustrate still= exists for camxes, these examples do not suffer from it,

An example that would suffer from it might = be "lo glico valsi po'u zoi mi me mi"/"lo glico valsi po= 'u zoi me me me".

mu'o mi= 'e xorxes =A0

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