Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.128.175;
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CA+gZtgJZ3xSvXNdmTPFp1mQ+VojSCP1-UOD6b9FriMd47WDi0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+gZtgLFbN0eBZMSx-g-8tHAKYiUpG0KNNzLzCOetr_TiJAbPw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO7tK2e0TNBxRRVQ6SNoL-i+5jAO-WagLrEOkqQHUKRFFoUyGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+gZtgJZ3xSvXNdmTPFp1mQ+VojSCP1-UOD6b9FriMd47WDi0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 08:53:39 -0300
Message-ID: <CAO7tK2eesG_B=984J4Od4x4_uKgnPGTHy7L1p6jGo9zk1Tc1Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] nu+roi question
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0112c63a05b9d304da8d23e3
X-Spam_score: -0.1
X-Spam_score_int: 0
X-Spam_bar: /

--089e0112c63a05b9d304da8d23e3
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote=
:

> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>w=
rote:
>
>> I suggest "mi xebni ro nu do damba" for the second one. The "pa roi"
>> version I think gives the wrong impression, it suggests you hate events
>> involving single fights, but you might be ok with events in which multip=
le
>> fights are involved. As in "I hate it when you fight just once, I like i=
t
>> when you fight again and again and again".
>>
>> That seems a little strong; {ro lo ...} might dampen it a little bit.
> Still, if you added a {ro} or something to the {pa roi} version, presumab=
ly
> if you hate all of the isolated events you hate them as a unit, yes?
>


Suppose you belong to a fight club that meets every weekend for knockout
tournaments where the loser in each match is eliminated and does not go on
to fight in the next round. Suppose I'm a fan of yours. Then I can say "I
hate when you fight once", because that means you were eliminated in the
first round, and as your fan I want you to reach the finals, i.e. I love it
when you fight many times.

More generally, I would say the distinction between "that X happens" and
"when X happens" is like the distinction between "the X" and "any X" and
has more to do with quantification than with the description of X.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

--=20
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.


--089e0112c63a05b9d304da8d23e3
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail=
.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:04 P=
M, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><div><div>I suggest &quot;mi xebni ro nu do damba&quot; for the =
second one. The &quot;pa roi&quot; version I think gives the wrong impressi=
on, it suggests you hate events involving single fights, but you might be o=
k with events in which multiple fights are involved. As in &quot;I hate it =
when you fight just once, I like it when you fight again and again and agai=
n&quot;.=A0</div>


<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>That seems a littl=
e strong; {ro lo ...} might dampen it a little bit. Still, if you added a {=
ro} or something to the {pa roi} version, presumably if you hate all of the=
 isolated events you hate them as a unit, yes?</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style>Sup=
pose you belong to a fight club that meets every weekend for knockout tourn=
aments where the loser in each match is eliminated and does not go on to fi=
ght in the next round. Suppose I&#39;m a fan of yours. Then I can say &quot=
;I hate when you fight once&quot;, because that means you were eliminated i=
n the first round, and as your fan I want you to reach the finals, i.e. I l=
ove it when you fight many times.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>More generally, I would say the distinction=
 between &quot;that X happens&quot; and &quot;when X happens&quot; is like =
the distinction between &quot;the X&quot; and &quot;any X&quot; and has mor=
e to do with quantification than with the description of X.=A0</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div style><b=
r></div></div></div></div>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;lojban&quot; group.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e=
mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.<br />
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
Visit this group at <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3De=
n">http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den</a>.<br />
For more options, visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out=
">https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out</a>.<br />
&nbsp;<br />
&nbsp;<br />

--089e0112c63a05b9d304da8d23e3--