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Subject: Re: [lojban] nu+roi question
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On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:53:39 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
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>
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> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Ian Johnson <blindb...@gmail.com<javasc=
ript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjlla...@gmail.com<ja=
vascript:>
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest "mi xebni ro nu do damba" for the second one. The "pa roi"=20
>>> version I think gives the wrong impression, it suggests you hate events=
=20
>>> involving single fights, but you might be ok with events in which multi=
ple=20
>>> fights are involved. As in "I hate it when you fight just once, I like =
it=20
>>> when you fight again and again and again".=20
>>>
>>> That seems a little strong; {ro lo ...} might dampen it a little bit.=
=20
>> Still, if you added a {ro} or something to the {pa roi} version, presuma=
bly=20
>> if you hate all of the isolated events you hate them as a unit, yes?
>>
>
>
> Suppose you belong to a fight club that meets every weekend for knockout=
=20
> tournaments where the loser in each match is eliminated and does not go o=
n=20
> to fight in the next round. Suppose I'm a fan of yours. Then I can say "I=
=20
> hate when you fight once", because that means you were eliminated in the=
=20
> first round, and as your fan I want you to reach the finals, i.e. I love =
it=20
> when you fight many times.
>
> More generally, I would say the distinction between "that X happens" and=
=20
> "when X happens" is like the distinction between "the X" and "any X" and=
=20
> has more to do with quantification than with the description of X.=20
>

doi xorxes lo do danfu cu so'aroi prije i mi ckire sai do=20


> mu'o mi'e xorxes
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<br><br>On Wednesday, April 17, 2013 3:53:39 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailt=
o=3D"8XQNFXQFLXgJ">blindb...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote"><div>On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"8=
XQNFXQFLXgJ">jjlla...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div></div><div><div><div>I=
 suggest "mi xebni ro nu do damba" for the second one. The "pa roi" version=
 I think gives the wrong impression, it suggests you hate events involving =
single fights, but you might be ok with events in which multiple fights are=
 involved. As in "I hate it when you fight just once, I like it when you fi=
ght again and again and again".&nbsp;</div>


<div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div>That seems a littl=
e strong; {ro lo ...} might dampen it a little bit. Still, if you added a {=
ro} or something to the {pa roi} version, presumably if you hate all of the=
 isolated events you hate them as a unit, yes?</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Suppose y=
ou belong to a fight club that meets every weekend for knockout tournaments=
 where the loser in each match is eliminated and does not go on to fight in=
 the next round. Suppose I'm a fan of yours. Then I can say "I hate when yo=
u fight once", because that means you were eliminated in the first round, a=
nd as your fan I want you to reach the finals, i.e. I love it when you figh=
t many times.</div>
<div><br></div><div>More generally, I would say the distinction between "th=
at X happens" and "when X happens" is like the distinction between "the X" =
and "any X" and has more to do with quantification than with the descriptio=
n of X.&nbsp;</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>doi x=
orxes lo do danfu cu so'aroi prije i mi ckire sai do&nbsp;</div><div><br></=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex=
;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote>

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