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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:45:40 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] 5 classes of sumti in Lojban and about a new word for
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Technically you are missing zilkai/selbri as well as whatever we want to
call ni abstractors (which are also functions), both of which are in the
apstrake category naturally. That said, interesting proposal, but I'm
uncertain that selsku is in the same category as the rest. It's subtle
because of the {se du'u} indirect discourse trick, but selsku seem to be by
themselves to me.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:05 AM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

> apstrake x1 is a grammatical abstraction of type x2
>
> All lojban constructs can be divided either to
> {apstrake}: {bridi}, {fasnu}, {selsku}
> or {naly'apstrake}: {namcu}, {dacti}.
>
> Unfortunately JVS doesnt like {apstrake}. Alternatives are {astrato} (from
> Italian) or tcosiango {from Mandarin chou1xiang4}.
>
> {sucta} has been misused for this concept.
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ver we want to call ni abstractors (which are also functions), both of whic=
h are in the apstrake category naturally. That said, interesting proposal, =
but I&#39;m uncertain that selsku is in the same category as the rest. It&#=
39;s subtle because of the {se du&#39;u} indirect discourse trick, but sels=
ku seem to be by themselves to me.<div>
<br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o</div></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 11:05=
 AM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">apstrake<span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap"=
>	</span>x1 is a grammatical abstraction of type x2<div><br></div><div>All =
lojban constructs can be divided either to=A0</div>
<div>{apstrake}: {bridi}, {fasnu}, {selsku}</div><div>or {naly&#39;apstrake=
}: {namcu}, {dacti}.</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately JVS doesnt like=
 {apstrake}. Alternatives are {astrato} (from Italian) or tcosiango {from M=
andarin chou1xiang4}.</div>
<div><br></div><div>{sucta} has been misused for this concept.</div><span c=
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