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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:42:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] nu+roi question
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>wro=
te:

> Suppose you belong to a fight club that meets every weekend for knockout
> tournaments where the loser in each match is eliminated and does not go o=
n
> to fight in the next round. Suppose I'm a fan of yours. Then I can say "I
> hate when you fight once", because that means you were eliminated in the
> first round, and as your fan I want you to reach the finals, i.e. I love =
it
> when you fight many times.
>
Perhaps it is more natlang influence than anything else, but such a
description feels rather incomplete; I would have trouble taking the
meaning you're suggesting from the phrasing you're suggesting.

I also feel like there's some opacity here, because events of you fighting
more than once are made up of events of you fighting once. That is, when
you're in a fight club and fight more than once, you can just split them up
into several events of fighting more than once, each of which you hate, so
naturally you should hate the collective. va'i you're sort of opening up
the abstractor in a way that you really shouldn't be able to do in order to
get the meaning you want.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Jorge Llamb=EDas <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjl=
lambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>Suppose you belong to a fight club that mee=
ts every weekend for knockout tournaments where the loser in each match is =
eliminated and does not go on to fight in the next round. Suppose I&#39;m a=
 fan of yours. Then I can say &quot;I hate when you fight once&quot;, becau=
se that means you were eliminated in the first round, and as your fan I wan=
t you to reach the finals, i.e. I love it when you fight many times.</div>

</div></div></div></blockquote><div>Perhaps it is more natlang influence th=
an anything else, but such a description feels rather incomplete; I would h=
ave trouble taking the meaning you&#39;re suggesting from the phrasing you&=
#39;re suggesting.</div>
<div><br></div><div style>I also feel like there&#39;s some opacity here, b=
ecause events of you fighting more than once are made up of events of you f=
ighting once. That is, when you&#39;re in a fight club and fight more than =
once, you can just split them up into several events of fighting more than =
once, each of which you hate, so naturally you should hate the collective. =
va&#39;i you&#39;re sort of opening up the abstractor in a way that you rea=
lly shouldn&#39;t be able to do in order to get the meaning you want.</div>
</div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" style>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu=
&#39;o</div></div>

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