Received: from mail-pa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.220.60]:43473) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1USop6-0005PH-RX for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:42 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id bi5sf957656pad.15 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+yaPZ71mRxVO86MYsQzqA2CGtaGcUyWIexEAy1hG+Iw=; b=XtLKXnamx2Tl2kj4ECxkN1QuqL+jSbzsUdqfnELVucattKruYl07PhFVB31NxQ3Ajb UFC5KoPcNIGwf23USXvbuvFA0X/7VC1Z9/TKcgKOylAi81CBEM8653DjikdGLlEkUreM KlmPcmYso4Kb4w6xxqzeVhAYKPkTyRFLMgBpkE0bm2So6hOYHMPMAbhrmDISrynQaChP v3CYAJRUs6eLCRNUpDxYoUjDJS/qTX7Pjbz7BnfbsKKbZ3NZFpO6DJVJsiyVDz+3yTxn GdMJJHrc8AruxUu1ffRq7v+ch/5sjLGyoBoYf25hOFfoTndV72XexRItul0DsSiAC/d7 JSDg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+yaPZ71mRxVO86MYsQzqA2CGtaGcUyWIexEAy1hG+Iw=; b=vjlaVVSK9lwD2g8GO8C9sGySyESX7bOTzs4P7LhXT1qpTO2+ZQdND43ONvvcVXg+Tv /+ewLOrs7vbWdeul8Eu3lh0LpXQDsMwEUe2zSQ2xoo33QLOT512/kV5U1LJqGlnA5iDn HmRWJlTQFFxMEBDakCRD0O2uf4CVYkbuKKFB+VY/XV5abawb90jZePvH9bCEbje/gaTc D9rXOig6FN26XkKpynr158OMwMoVpT6wusmzMBN4KvoSbseckvK6AwR5cmQPAKuTfRPt ZLkETjwh68TtkOlrpvBPtnNSKAYvndjcWN4zWUq2shpMZPgskibWPEeVS+lrWc1PyNM/ txsQ== X-Received: by 10.50.109.228 with SMTP id hv4mr1738265igb.2.1366291458363; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:18 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.45.193 with SMTP id p1ls3806379igm.18.canary; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.43.113.131 with SMTP id ew3mr8477676icc.24.1366291457515; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-x234.google.com (mail-ob0-x234.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dl10si2082959igb.0.2013.04.18.06.24.17 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234; Received: by mail-ob0-f180.google.com with SMTP id un3so2429324obb.39 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.12.170 with SMTP id z10mr356090oeb.122.1366291457221; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.97.33 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 06:24:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 09:24:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] sutra/masno by standard From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb201eaf7af6f04daa28417 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8fb201eaf7af6f04daa28417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm sure this has been covered in the past month (alebit not directly in this thread), but standards places are equivalent to ma'i = lo manri. It's not an explanation of what it's doing (which might be a tai, ta'i, or ji'u place), but the standards by which it is adjudged, or the vantage point from which it is being observed (depending on the gismu in questin). stevo has it right. --gejyspa On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > On the rare occasions I use "by standard places", they tend to be a ka > that says what exactly the thing does. "Is slow in that it is going at 5 > mph on the highway", that sort of thing. > > mi'e la latro'a mu'o > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Betsemes wrote: > >> Of any concept I can think of, the concept of a standard to make a >> distinction between fast and slow comes to my mind; so I've been >> wondering whether or not I'm missing something about fast/slow >> concepts or whether or not the concept of a standard is relevant to >> these terms. Was human evolution fast or slow? Is the flight of a >> peregrin falcon fast or slow? Is a car riding through a school zone >> fast or slow? What if it's riding at 35mph through a school zone? What >> if it's riding at 35mph on a highway? >> >> mu'o mi'e betsemes >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --e89a8fb201eaf7af6f04daa28417 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm sure this has been covered in the past month (aleb= it not directly in this thread), but standards places are equivalent to ma&= #39;i =3D lo manri. =A0It's not an explanation of what it's doing (= which might be a tai, ta'i, or ji'u place), but the standards by wh= ich it is adjudged, or the vantage point from which it is being observed (d= epending on the gismu in questin). =A0stevo has it right.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Ian Johnson= <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
On the rare occasions I use "by standar= d places", they tend to be a ka that says what exactly the thing does.= "Is slow in that it is going at 5 mph on the highway", that sort= of thing.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Betsemes <<= a href=3D"mailto:betsemes@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
Of any concept = I can think of, the concept of a standard to make a
distinction between fast and slow comes to my mind; so I've been
wondering whether or not I'm missing something about fast/slow
concepts or whether or not the concept of a standard is relevant to
these terms. Was human evolution fast or slow? Is the flight of a
peregrin falcon fast or slow? Is a car riding through a school zone
fast or slow? What if it's riding at 35mph through a school zone? What<= br> if it's riding at 35mph on a highway?

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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