Received: from mail-pa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.220.61]:40569) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1USsjO-0007it-M9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:54 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id kl13sf1096300pab.6 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=9H9qHlX1xU+hnDsu6nBM2FHelfGTitUzYiWMwdUAEVc=; b=dZCY71y2wO3DfkiIGeSaC9sWJRDgzOjQpjXAiPJ7Pc4FmdYqEbaS7OQ4N3qRNxoK4c Jnnx9+2YkD+EZOeR6qR9FLi87YbX/BpxPHh+l96tp7Tl008MMAONzFYDyZq/WuHO9HS+ i9E4d/oite+QIZnCR5Dg43o+QGxNK0H6h+XHOIgZ1pVOSSMmxpDFErukL13JO7YVa9Ah ntYswzBxJw5LMNY9Wh9iTEykZgkkWXL7Yat4b154bQkmEgbhOed/mdfcNz/MwHRA/WlI gwkZigZoQq1z1y9zvmrxTrGP2BpzTOi+YyikbU8H9Pscb8qjAV/qJ/9/DtlmieIiLZHI zKpg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=9H9qHlX1xU+hnDsu6nBM2FHelfGTitUzYiWMwdUAEVc=; b=nWHAHFCQUz/M9x4qJ3gTIT1+gcN1TWzQLjmY3cW1csuXEMy8uh6e8E1uL1vuUGEONT 7b03Bq/HfNE20R07DgiazD8PG1C4CyhkTeXC8dn8tBt4ZGwSCJR639Va31bduIODT2Hy huE+MIM8fwuZuDo8+AYeIlOGeA7K3ljbiR7R5RYccm2TzlPhPbs0SbZ1m6d9av1Y/7SI hebBpaFvMQnhfrZt7Qd9aIHT9arizV+VuPMvwgs9ZlkrjrxoyncCDm4J7NX7o7RXOT7L uEFK7yqKrkIzKlb3uOxPF3iJnwkhsio9VEV7jhyGazo+gNOYkV4dW3BuaWp2TDFrYDgY VmKA== X-Received: by 10.50.6.135 with SMTP id b7mr1961565iga.9.1366306480581; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.42.229 with SMTP id r5ls16593igl.27.canary; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.42.55.19 with SMTP id t19mr8547458icg.31.1366306479596; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ia0-x22e.google.com (mail-ia0-x22e.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22e]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j7si2074048igc.3.2013.04.18.10.34.39 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22e as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22e; Received: by mail-ia0-f174.google.com with SMTP id m10so710614iam.5 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.184.132 with SMTP id eu4mr380561igc.19.1366306479344; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.187.83 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Apr 2013 10:34:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 13:34:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] sutra/masno by standard From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c02::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340ebd5d56e204daa60410 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --14dae9340ebd5d56e204daa60410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > I'm sure this has been covered in the past month (alebit not directly in > this thread), but standards places are equivalent to ma'i = lo manri. It's > not an explanation of what it's doing (which might be a tai, ta'i, or ji'u > place), but the standards by which it is adjudged, or the vantage point > from which it is being observed (depending on the gismu in questin). stevo > has it right. > --gejyspa > It depends a bit on the brivla, but I think there's definitely something to the ka form of these by standard places, though. "Slow in that they go slower than 5 mph", that is, in this context things are slow if they go below 5 mph. Just having "5 mph" or something in a standard place is implicit raising at best. mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. 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On T= hu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com= > wrote:
I'm sure this has been = covered in the past month (alebit not directly in this thread), but standar= ds places are equivalent to ma'i =3D lo manri. =A0It's not an expla= nation of what it's doing (which might be a tai, ta'i, or ji'u = place), but the standards by which it is adjudged, or the vantage point fro= m which it is being observed (depending on the gismu in questin). =A0stevo = has it right.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa
It depends a bit = on the brivla, but I think there's definitely something to the ka form = of these by standard places, though. "Slow in that they go slower than= 5 mph", that is, in this context things are slow if they go below 5 m= ph. Just having "5 mph" or something in a standard place is impli= cit raising at best.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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