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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 15:18:01 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] sutra/masno by standard
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  I hear what you are saying, Ian, but I respectfully disagree.  I doubt
there can normally be a "lo ka broda" in those places, though, any more
than there can be in the x1 of manri.  I might be more inclined to agree
with your sumti-raising  objection.  For example, if I said "tu masno lo te
nilsutra be lo si'o minli cacra parbi keiku  bei li mu" (if masno3 did
actually exist, and was defined to be "by standard") It might mean either
 "That's slow when compared to 5MPH goers" or "That's slow in the
opinion/from the vantgae point of 5MPH goers".

              --gejyspa


On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm sure this has been covered in the past month (alebit not directly in
>> this thread), but standards places are equivalent to ma'i = lo manri.  It's
>> not an explanation of what it's doing (which might be a tai, ta'i, or ji'u
>> place), but the standards by which it is adjudged, or the vantage point
>> from which it is being observed (depending on the gismu in questin).  stevo
>> has it right.
>>          --gejyspa
>>
> It depends a bit on the brivla, but I think there's definitely something
> to the ka form of these by standard places, though. "Slow in that they go
> slower than 5 mph", that is, in this context things are slow if they go
> below 5 mph. Just having "5 mph" or something in a standard place is
> implicit raising at best.
>
>
> mi'e la latro'a mu'o
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 I hear what you are saying, Ian, but I respectfully di=
sagree. =A0I doubt there can normally be a &quot;lo ka broda&quot; in those=
 places, though, any more than there can be in the x1 of manri. =A0I might =
be more inclined to agree with your sumti-raising =A0objection. =A0For exam=
ple, if I said &quot;tu masno lo te nilsutra be lo si&#39;o minli cacra par=
bi keiku =A0bei li mu&quot; (if masno3 did actually exist, and was defined =
to be &quot;by standard&quot;) It might mean either =A0&quot;That&#39;s slo=
w when compared to 5MPH goers&quot; or &quot;That&#39;s slow in the opinion=
/from the vantgae point of 5MPH goers&quot;.<div>
<br></div><div style>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div style>=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On =
Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:24 A=
M, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;m sure this has been =
covered in the past month (alebit not directly in this thread), but standar=
ds places are equivalent to ma&#39;i =3D lo manri. =A0It&#39;s not an expla=
nation of what it&#39;s doing (which might be a tai, ta&#39;i, or ji&#39;u =
place), but the standards by which it is adjudged, or the vantage point fro=
m which it is being observed (depending on the gismu in questin). =A0stevo =
has it right.<div>


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</div></div></blockquote></div><div>It depends =
a bit on the brivla, but I think there&#39;s definitely something to the ka=
 form of these by standard places, though. &quot;Slow in that they go slowe=
r than 5 mph&quot;, that is, in this context things are slow if they go bel=
ow 5 mph. Just having &quot;5 mph&quot; or something in a standard place is=
 implicit raising at best.<div class=3D"im">
<br>
<br>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o <br></div></div></div></div></div></bl=
ockquote></div><br></div></div>

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