Received: from mail-da0-f55.google.com ([209.85.210.55]:40393) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UTAUd-0005I4-32 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:33:05 -0700 Received: by mail-da0-f55.google.com with SMTP id o9sf1339960dan.0 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=JwTHm9ev53dKICFo95aIqtRYukpeHmOjyNsAr6RFg9c=; b=YqdF5zwnn4DqEdJ9luuegX1vYUd/TW1UJ92AJI1n5RwpVCTaVqLP8P3Cx0QFeAYRQP Vq3EkJQ5rOdZpaxyXWtXkBcDP/zZtVed9bNepDN+OEf+zn2BUiXMRpLw7Z8WVl1eIWD4 CdxFoyYxUghB8be3UuO3hVeKYgpfSDVjUFqFg5rBnMoU/g7WskUohL2z4TFtO2Bk3E2n 7nVCQmYTzrRNVRue3B5XUMRKRvii70c380QCJ6Em82TfKnJVoNQ9wHtWmsjSodcz2fhZ wT/4ZaEkL3oUAD5Jrxmm6rOg7CSl/rPz+bDyhM/JJApnrt6+yKZOyUZhsFbYIHb7zvK8 krWw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:x-received :mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=JwTHm9ev53dKICFo95aIqtRYukpeHmOjyNsAr6RFg9c=; b=AIGqh/Adg59oBqgKUuY4+U35/zs8a6tBYijxacBtSjpf1yvPtnNiDgjv/qP2qDNc3y 6l9V+uHxKH4MzsdGToWS0wxmPoe8gV5A1xTeLCuuPTwJWpq98/B2zBG9gGqXr4fIM6eF +sokY7cdhsVMpWHGzOw2JQtEfVPcRltcUtiFaDUqIOtFJ8Iq0/OU5sTKRiDgCM9HHCXy evYlOxUbVZQd5H6x7LQGw3uygKgSuiRPNXb7kxVn/MKwrCgKi9iRhnd4ufDLBKJKJxo6 sASHV5UM3QerCzJEl31fcDpJinddh4AmFECws/qhDHmnRe1+6bDrhRq6Bp8w8HMRlHOU GE6g== X-Received: by 10.49.37.39 with SMTP id v7mr1486714qej.27.1366374756704; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.133.162 with SMTP id pd2ls2082549qeb.91.gmail; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.52.69.42 with SMTP id b10mr4892933vdu.5.1366374755884; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-f170.google.com (mail-vc0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id yh19si2144051vdb.0.2013.04.19.05.32.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.170; Received: by mail-vc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id hv10so158453vcb.1 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.220.202.138 with SMTP id fe10mr9072354vcb.26.1366374755780; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.118.79 with HTTP; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 05:32:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5171110D.3010200@gmx.de> References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> <5171110D.3010200@gmx.de> From: ".arpis." Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:32:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Should I quit learning Lojban? To: Lojban X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158a8a2f2d26b04dab5e9d9 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --089e0158a8a2f2d26b04dab5e9d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .i pe'i .e'u ko ca'o cilre la .lojban. .i pe'i ri ci'irmau gi'e zmadu fi lo ka tikygau lo pu'u pensi (I'd say, keep learning lojban; IMO it's more interesting and changes how you think more) Also, I'd like to say that I have never studied Esperanto (but I did study French and have heard Spanish) and I mostly understood selpa'i's Esperanto statement. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:40 AM, selpa'i wrote: > la'o me. shanoxilt .me cusku di'e > >> coi ro do >> > > coi do'u > > > I've recently been considering whether I should abandon learning Lojban >> in favor of Esperanto or Toki Pona. Thus far, it has been a difficult >> and unrewarding language. Yet, something in the back of my mind >> continues to draw me to it. What should I do? >> > > Esperantlingvo eble estas interesa, kaj certe ne estas malficila. Sed la= =C5=AD > mia opinio =C4=9Di ne estas pli interesa ol Lo=C4=B5bano, =C4=89ar =C4=9D= i estas tre simila al > aliaj latinidaj lingvoj. > > ni'o ju'o cu'i lo sperybau cu cinri .i je ju'o ja'ai na nandu .i ku'i pe'= i > na zmadu lo jbobau lo ka cinri .i ki'u bo mutce lo ka simsa lo drata ke > latmo bangu > > > toki pona li pona a. mi pilin e ni: jan ale li ken kama sona e toki pona. > pona mute. tenpo suno kama la sina pini e kama sona e toki a a a. > > ni'o ie lo tokpona cu xamgu gi'a sampu .i mi jinvi la'e di'e .i ro prenu > cu kakne lo nu crebi'o tu'a lo tokpona .i tai sampu .i zo'o .u'i ca lo > bavlamdei do mo'u tadni ty > > I doubt you have to abandon anything to learn Toki Pona. You can learn it > and then come back to Lojban the next day. ;) > > > Obviously, the answer is that you should do what you most want to do. > Follow your dreams. Chances are you haven't found the right way (for you) > to study Lojban yet; Would you like to tell us how you did it so far? Wha= t > are the problems you are encountering that make you so frustrated. > > Sorry if this wasn't helpful, but I can neither in good conscience force > you to stay if you don't want to, nor is it my desire that you leave Lojb= an > behind. It's entirely up to you. If you need help with Lojban, we are the= re > for you. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/lojban?hl=3Den > . > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/**groups/opt_out > . > > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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.i pe'i .e'u ko ca'o cilre la .lojba= n. .i pe'i ri ci'irmau gi'e zmadu fi lo ka tikygau lo pu'u = pensi
(I'd say, keep learning lojban; IMO it's more intere= sting and changes how you think more)

Also, I'd like to say that I have never studied Esperanto (bu= t I did study French and have heard Spanish) and I mostly understood selpa&= #39;i's Esperanto statement.


On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 5:40 AM, selpa'i= <= seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
la'o me. shanoxilt .me cusku di'e
coi ro do

coi do'u


I've recently been considering whether I should abandon learning Lojban=
in favor of Esperanto or Toki Pona. Thus far, it has been a difficult
and unrewarding language. Yet, something in the back of my mind
continues to draw me to it. What should I do?

Esperantlingvo eble estas interesa, kaj certe ne estas malficila. Sed la=C5= =AD mia opinio =C4=9Di ne estas pli interesa ol Lo=C4=B5bano, =C4=89ar =C4= =9Di estas tre simila al aliaj latinidaj lingvoj.

ni'o ju'o cu'i lo sperybau cu cinri .i je ju'o ja'ai na= nandu .i ku'i pe'i na zmadu lo jbobau lo ka cinri .i ki'u bo m= utce lo ka simsa lo drata ke latmo bangu


toki pona li pona a. mi pilin e ni: jan ale li ken kama sona e toki pona. p= ona mute. tenpo suno kama la sina pini e kama sona e toki a a a.

ni'o ie lo tokpona cu xamgu gi'a sampu .i mi jinvi la'e di'= e .i ro prenu cu kakne lo nu crebi'o tu'a lo tokpona .i tai sampu .= i zo'o .u'i ca lo bavlamdei do mo'u tadni ty

I doubt you have to abandon anything to learn Toki Pona. You can learn it a= nd then come back to Lojban the next day. ;)


Obviously, the answer is that you should do what you most want to do. Follo= w your dreams. Chances are you haven't found the right way (for you) to= study Lojban yet; Would you like to tell us how you did it so far? What ar= e the problems you are encountering that make you so frustrated.

Sorry if this wasn't helpful, but I can neither in good conscience forc= e you to stay if you don't want to, nor is it my desire that you leave = Lojban behind. It's entirely up to you. If you need help with Lojban, w= e are there for you.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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