Received: from mail-qe0-f57.google.com ([209.85.128.57]:41886) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UTHr8-0001BL-1c for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:24:37 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f57.google.com with SMTP id 1sf1450814qee.22 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:24:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vkoB7FdVz0CeM+oXYoxj6ZNpZT99ywy3isK83Oli/pA=; b=mhbtAAdHBbtykjTlI3Pmo/SzyxMsPCct08tmQ99JqACnCijPTV/8NqdcBhOrTlSyID OSQLl/ccZQNEPm8L8C0Jgjk+Fg6XZ7FnflGwRbhEEy2nDPsQQ85tMPzeZL1EWNeR0/ko XHLEM3mGi5FWxf0LLoPtlv89VGF/8v99IKKdAL7yi1VlXZZ6B/USnmsbO4XbfXZ4kA7p thK2Jptom391Je8Z3sLwrzbUuozd/KjT1kn008BCLZmfElnIDdUp2h0hndO0C4Fa92j+ 0Yr6s948GfxW9SnMMAK2bnejV9JYTkMm9yuitbX9iYRFAZAzTF8VB5jHCMBucxvsA8h+ LH+g== X-Received: by 10.49.94.168 with SMTP id dd8mr1778187qeb.30.1366403056013; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:24:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.127.195 with SMTP id ni3ls2407860qeb.1.gmail; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.60.170 with SMTP id i10mr1713023qer.41.1366403054483; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: shanoxilt To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5171110D.3010200@gmx.de> References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> <5171110D.3010200@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [lojban] Should I quit learning Lojban? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: osiris_hades_deathland@hotmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41_17447966.1366403052981" X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam_score: 1.3 X-Spam_score_int: 13 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > > Obviously, the answer is that you should do what you most want to do. > Follow your dreams. Chances are you haven't found the right way (for > you) to study Lojban yet; I'm terrible at studying. I can't seem to stick with it consistently. :( [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (osiris_hades_deathland[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.2 FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2 hotmail.com 'From' address, but no 'Received:' 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid ------=_Part_41_17447966.1366403052981 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Obviously, the answer is that you should do what you most want to do. > Follow your dreams. Chances are you haven't found the right way (for > you) to study Lojban yet; I'm terrible at studying. I can't seem to stick with it consistently. :( > Would you like to tell us how you did it so far? What are the problems you > are encountering that make you so frustrated. > The logical aspect of the language is a bit counterintuitive, perhaps unnatural. Also, gismu with more than 3 sumti are difficult to remember. In addition to this, there is always a new discussion about reforms despite the fact that so few have learned standard Lojban. Sorry if this wasn't helpful, but I can neither in good conscience force > you to stay if you don't want to, nor is it my desire that you leave Lojban behind. It's entirely up to you. If you need help with Lojban, we are there for you. Thank you. I just don't want to disappoint myself and other Lojbani. If you recall, I am one of the moderators of /r/Lojban on Reddit so it seems I should have mastered this language by now. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_41_17447966.1366403052981 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obviously, the answer is that = you should do what you most want to do.  
Follow your dreams. Chances are you haven'= t found the right way (for=20
you) to study= Lojban yet;
I'm terrible at studying. I can't seem to st= ick with it consistently. :(
 
Would you like to tell us how you did it so far? What = are the problems you are encountering that make you so frustrated. 
The logical aspect of the language is a bit counterintuitive, perhaps = unnatural. Also, gismu with more than 3 sumti are difficult to remember. In= addition to this, there is always a new discussion about reforms despite t= he fact that so few have learned standard Lojban. 
 
Sorry if this w= asn't helpful, but I can neither in good conscience force=20
you to stay if you do= n't want to, nor is it my desire that you leave=20
Lojban behind. It's e= ntirely up to you. If you need help with Lojban, we=20
are there for you.
Thank you. I just don't want to disappoi= nt myself and other Lojbani. If you recall, I am one of the moderators of /= r/Lojban on Reddit so it seems I should have mastered this language by now.=
 

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