Received: from mail-qe0-f64.google.com ([209.85.128.64]:41146) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UTI8N-0001HR-Pm for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:42:24 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f64.google.com with SMTP id w7sf1481345qeb.19 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:42:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Keumac1kWqDDC7Fpxfa3JEDiMjxsnDaTYcSpOjRRKL8=; b=asDNWk29AzKm9bZsM2grEuvyhdC49LKwnomQv4FulYr0ktjDxSQl1muE4B7KB4ji/0 U2SuVk7cVesXmVYJw+fZllkvWXqMTguA1cE2DB/jxi3QtGA8jjirGYBu3NaXCw9Gusdq f2AI8IWkX7XA0rWug5O0FZAWhQfK/c/6eGK+/gUBm/ZAC3u+wyZ4a/ZjdUqL2ZTFKzAm jbORETeJEdg89OrSZwzFR0BudD/n+hsy9xA23L1XfWISlOjLL8uM5Az9pxwNo4sEoAyc CONc1TMnsaiSaYH3eoIx/U52mVpGZqxwQbH0D0FsEM0kwvsMz66dU2hpKBmnmeyugFdG iA3g== X-Received: by 10.50.12.227 with SMTP id b3mr965679igc.13.1366404127303; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:42:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.89.198 with SMTP id bq6ls189703obb.85.gmail; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.84.227 with SMTP id c3mr460247obz.35.1366404125278; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:42:04 -0700 (PDT) From: iesk To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <67990a73-d2a5-4e99-8646-2c188d636b98@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Should I quit learning Lojban? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: pa.fae@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66_2392959.1366404124690" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_66_2392959.1366404124690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le vendredi 19 avril 2013 06:58:40 UTC+2, shanoxilt a =E9crit : > > coi ro do > > I've recently been considering whether I should abandon learning Lojban i= n=20 > favor of Esperanto or Toki Pona. Thus far, it has been a difficult and=20 > unrewarding language. Yet, something in the back of my mind continues to= =20 > draw me to it. What should I do? > coi do do'u ni'o .e'u do segau co'a se pa'arbau .i zu'u la pacnybau ku fadni ru'e fi= =20 lo zasti bangu .i mulno sa'enai beki'u lo ka ce'u se jicmu lo ronbau kei= =20 gi'e bredi lo nu pilno .i zu'unai nalfadni lo ka citri ce'u kei .e lo ka= =20 kulnu lo selbau be ce'u keiku po'onai .i ja'a steci gi'e ku'inai pluka je= =20 cinri je .e'u tercli Jes, lernu Esperanton. Kiel fakte ekzistanta lingvo ghi estas kvazau=20 normala lingvo. Ghi estas =ABkompleta=BB, char bazita sur la Europaj lingvo= j,=20 kaj uzebla. Sed ghia historio kaj kulturo, ekzemple, estas malbanalaj. Ghi= =20 estas siaspeca, kaj pro tio ghi plachas al mi kaj interesas min, kaj mi=20 opinias, ke ghi estas lerninda. ni'o lo lobybau zo'u do djica lo du'u do lo bangu ge'i pilno gi zbasu pe'a= =20 vau paunai zo'oru'e To me, Lojban and Esperanto as passtimes are too different to be in the=20 same league, as it were, except of course insofar as competing for one's=20 time (which is perhaps your whole point). I guess that holds for TP, too.= =20 Would you consider giving up, say, painting for soccer or cooking? I'd say= =20 learning E (for a speaker of an IE language, at least) means learning=20 'another' new language, albeit a unique one, but then which language isn't= =20 unique? As for L, there's still so many semantic fields to plow with-tool= =20 the very-uncommon (technical grammar, that is). ;) -iesk --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_66_2392959.1366404124690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le vendredi 19 avril 2013 06:58:40 UTC+2, shanoxilt a =E9crit :
coi ro do

I've recently been considering whether I should abandon learning Loj= ban in favor of Esperanto or Toki Pona. Thus far, it has been a difficult a= nd unrewarding language. Yet, something in the back of my mind continues to= draw me to it. What should I do?

coi do do'u
ni'o .e'u do segau co'a se pa'arbau  .i zu'u la pacnybau ku fadni= =20 ru'e fi lo zasti bangu  .i mulno sa'enai beki'u lo ka ce'u se jicmu lo= =20 ronbau kei gi'e bredi lo nu pilno  .i zu'unai nalfadni lo ka citri ce'= u=20 kei .e lo ka kulnu lo selbau be ce'u keiku po'onai  .i ja'a steci gi'e= =20 ku'inai pluka je cinri je .e'u tercli

Jes, lernu Esperanton. Kiel fakte ekzistanta lingvo ghi estas kvazau normala lingvo. Ghi estas=20 =ABkompleta=BB, char bazita sur la Europaj lingvoj, kaj uzebla. Sed ghia=20 historio kaj kulturo, ekzemple, estas malbanalaj. Ghi estas siaspeca, kaj pro tio ghi plachas al mi kaj interesas min, kaj mi opinias, ke ghi estas= =20 lerninda.

ni'o lo lobybau zo'u do djica lo du'u do lo bangu ge'i pil= no gi zbasu pe'a vau paunai zo'oru'e

To me, Lojban and Esperanto as = passtimes are too different to be in the same league, as it were, except of= course insofar as competing for one's time (which is perhaps your whole po= int). I guess that holds for TP, too. Would you consider giving up, say, pa= inting for soccer or cooking? I'd say learning E (for a speaker of an IE la= nguage, at least) means learning 'another' new language, albeit a unique on= e, but then which language isn't unique? As for L, there's still so many se= mantic fields to plow with-tool the very-uncommon (technical grammar, that = is). ;)

-iesk

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