Received: from mail-pa0-f57.google.com ([209.85.220.57]:52717) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UTIxa-0001Zn-SU for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:35:15 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f57.google.com with SMTP id kp14sf1478743pab.22 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bbTInUKIGG4B0TSYfTagkanA5lNw34r0eHZupJ7g460=; b=uuzmehTHW3cWf3U9LOEWIIJ+OgiRfO79RJdG8TyekHMMUfGmkfNzjq7rbVDgUiLJyk /qXRUSSVihOujDlc+lcv8OMogS0Xlo6YklP9p8ZJDbVbyDQuhYVgXcx68V2xYwTGaAsI SFrsg9rV+NB/uM5lB6CgGiaErxV9xxOnycVWbcyIp30M+GXmWW1R/dX+QFEDQof/6qSa fqRRRECwJjKeZxPnB+/JKU2nqbt4vE2vFx8FA0GioiJCTBijJvCED0BvSYQOT+R/fTe8 c4sy0VFZ7AYzr8EUeHok39NGfwSvRRjP/avy40Q43gRfY+ULvlS0bFEAy1PoRAsy/G/1 z7mA== X-Received: by 10.49.59.48 with SMTP id w16mr325434qeq.3.1366407303405; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.50.226 with SMTP id f2ls2326331qeo.13.gmail; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.24.134 with SMTP id u6mr1762639qef.24.1366407303038; Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:35:02 -0700 (PDT) From: shanoxilt To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <3c23b023-ee8b-43d6-af5e-6ff7855d5ba5@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <67990a73-d2a5-4e99-8646-2c188d636b98@googlegroups.com> References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> <67990a73-d2a5-4e99-8646-2c188d636b98@googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Should I quit learning Lojban? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: osiris_hades_deathland@hotmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5_24560591.1366407302346" X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam_score: 1.2 X-Spam_score_int: 12 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > > ni'o .e'u do segau co'a se pa'arbau .i zu'u la pacnybau ku fadni ru'e fi > lo zasti bangu .i mulno sa'enai beki'u lo ka ce'u se jicmu lo ronbau kei > gi'e bredi lo nu pilno .i zu'unai nalfadni lo ka citri ce'u kei .e lo ka > kulnu lo selbau be ce'u keiku po'onai .i ja'a steci gi'e ku'inai pluka je > cinri je .e'u tercli > [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (osiris_hades_deathland[at]hotmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.2 FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD2 hotmail.com 'From' address, but no 'Received:' 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature ------=_Part_5_24560591.1366407302346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > ni'o .e'u do segau co'a se pa'arbau .i zu'u la pacnybau ku fadni ru'e fi= =20 > lo zasti bangu .i mulno sa'enai beki'u lo ka ce'u se jicmu lo ronbau kei= =20 > gi'e bredi lo nu pilno .i zu'unai nalfadni lo ka citri ce'u kei .e lo ka= =20 > kulnu lo selbau be ce'u keiku po'onai .i ja'a steci gi'e ku'inai pluka j= e=20 > cinri je .e'u tercli > > Jes, lernu Esperanton. Kiel fakte ekzistanta lingvo ghi estas kvazau=20 > normala lingvo. Ghi estas =ABkompleta=BB, char bazita sur la Europaj ling= voj,=20 > kaj uzebla. Sed ghia historio kaj kulturo, ekzemple, estas malbanalaj. Gh= i=20 > estas siaspeca, kaj pro tio ghi plachas al mi kaj interesas min, kaj mi= =20 > opinias, ke ghi estas lerninda. > > ni'o lo lobybau zo'u do djica lo du'u do lo bangu ge'i pilno gi zbasu pe'= a=20 > vau paunai zo'oru'e > > To me, Lojban and Esperanto as passtimes are too different to be in the= =20 > same league, as it were, except of course insofar as competing for one's= =20 > time (which is perhaps your whole point). I guess that holds for TP, too.= =20 > Would you consider giving up, say, painting for soccer or cooking? I'd sa= y=20 > learning E (for a speaker of an IE language, at least) means learning=20 > 'another' new language, albeit a unique one, but then which language isn'= t=20 > unique? As for L, there's still so many semantic fields to plow with-tool= =20 > the very-uncommon (technical grammar, that is). ;) > > -iesk > I have concerns because I perceive that Lojban has such potential, but I=20 have no idea how to demonstrate it. Also, unlike many Lojbani, I don't know= =20 anything about computer programming so I don't fit its culture (such as it= =20 is). --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_5_24560591.1366407302346 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ni'o .e'u do segau co'a se pa'= arbau  .i zu'u la pacnybau ku fadni=20 ru'e fi lo zasti bangu  .i mulno sa'enai beki'u lo ka ce'u se jicmu lo= =20 ronbau kei gi'e bredi lo nu pilno  .i zu'unai nalfadni lo ka citri ce'= u=20 kei .e lo ka kulnu lo selbau be ce'u keiku po'onai  .i ja'a steci gi'e= =20 ku'inai pluka je cinri je .e'u tercli

Jes, lernu Esperanton. Kiel fakte ekzistanta lingvo ghi estas kvazau normala lingvo. Ghi estas=20 =ABkompleta=BB, char bazita sur la Europaj lingvoj, kaj uzebla. Sed ghia=20 historio kaj kulturo, ekzemple, estas malbanalaj. Ghi estas siaspeca, kaj pro tio ghi plachas al mi kaj interesas min, kaj mi opinias, ke ghi estas= =20 lerninda.

=
ni'o lo lobybau z= o'u do djica lo du'u do lo bangu ge'i pilno gi zbasu pe'a vau paunai zo'oru= 'e

To me, Lojban and Espera= nto as passtimes are too different to be in the same league, as it were, ex= cept of course insofar as competing for one's time (which is perhaps your w= hole point). I guess that holds for TP, too. Would you consider giving up, = say, painting for soccer or cooking? I'd say learning E (for a speaker of a= n IE language, at least) means learning 'another' new language, albeit a un= ique one, but then which language isn't unique? As for L, there's still so = many semantic fields to plow with-tool the very-uncommon (technical grammar= , that is). ;)

-iesk

I have concerns because I perceive that Lojba= n has such potential, but I have no idea how to demonstrate it. Also, unlik= e many Lojbani, I don't know anything about computer programming so I don't= fit its culture (such as it is).

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &= quot;lojban" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
 
 
------=_Part_5_24560591.1366407302346--