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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 21:02:44 -0500
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 Content preview:  Relevantly, toki pona, like Lojban, is still in a state of
    flux, so some older lessons (and Sonja's lessons are inevitably very old
   indeed) are out of date. The context suggests that 'pini' here is a modal(in
    the non Lojbanic sense) and so takes a bare VP after it (only this will allow
    the 'e' before the DO of 'kama sona',which would have to be 'pi' or null
   if 'Kama sona' were NP). [...] 
 
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Relevantly, toki pona, like Lojban, is still in a state of flux, so some ol=
der lessons (and Sonja's lessons are inevitably very old indeed) are out of=
 date.  The context suggests that 'pini' here is a modal(in the non Lojbani=
c sense) and so takes a bare VP after it (only this will allow the 'e' befo=
re the DO  of 'kama sona',which would have to be 'pi' or null if 'Kama sona=
' were NP).

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On Apr 19, 2013, at 17:21, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> la John E. Clifford cu cusku di'e
>> Pini Kama sona (no 'e')
>=20
> This is a Lojban list, but since this seems important to you, allow me to=
 say that one of the example sentences in jan Sonja's textbook uses "pini e=
". "pini e" is a relatively common phrase. I don't see why it should be wro=
ng. It's simply the transitive use of "pini".
>=20
> To make this have anything to do with Lojban, I will also say it in Lojba=
n:
>=20
> ni'o lo me dei moi cu lojbo mriste .i ku'i ki'u lo nu la'e de'u simlu lo =
ka vajni do zo'u .e'o do curmi lo nu mi do jungau lo du'u zoi ty. pini e .t=
y se vasru lo ctucku pe la .sonias. (to noi finti lo tokpona doi io na da'i=
 djuno toi) .i zoi ty. pini e .ty ma'i fadni selsku .i mi na djuno lo du'u =
da'i ma kau nibli lo du'u toldra .i sa'u relselsu'i te pilno .i (to je'u fa=
'u gi zoi ty. pini .ty gi zoi ty. pini e .ty panra fa'u gi zo tolcfa gi zo =
tolcfagau toi)
>=20
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>=20
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