Received: from mail-we0-f191.google.com ([74.125.82.191]:50778) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UTXhK-0005j3-Jl for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:29 -0700 Received: by mail-we0-f191.google.com with SMTP id s43sf1101424wey.18 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=fZFQx11X3/De7qNWasFUIse5znz+F7GnkM4kt38sl0U=; b=tSzj5sPbYbtXoRxBqVA57fg6rjhm7EapZwBP04VW2Vu8+IGMxVYl+G+TQs8GW7CW3t Xxyh/8xHxFCXxhpbg/L4mVKFYskoXyQVPdj4Z6hvX6WSs1EqEmrIeBx+iHdNijErpVBv y4a3SsVVcQm7jJaeg0qzmU21pNEXvjlAv3qcw3OtRrE6Yovr/f13cLo9jkuAZn/PyvmI BWrx90cwHCpE1C59BdijISyg7Vs2AcsPviIT6Tw/QPtlzfIVk4zRWrwDQvV7ZJ7j9Ow/ 47BRI/sFehPzOtJf6n7IdZbJ3riNhblsWbIdEvzTVlLtLAHoL4gRTCNncEvr17oUHb+O NSVQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:received-spf:mime-version :x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=fZFQx11X3/De7qNWasFUIse5znz+F7GnkM4kt38sl0U=; b=UFK8FleYHIEYgAWNeYgLwLb8r0QBt0lGuvYNd3oZhZKBtAwrwzj3FNrAK3zk3tARGP pAs7i110zmxvZ6RCyTCucYa/VOwHLLIvmNBLjHokb9E5Xw4dwMGlllUaIigq/0qiRsS/ axB5iLVLLjzBOGdr30ahpXOkKbIcs7N5SPogPJ53N5NxQ0guV3gmIVKU8yC0fwjIWEnp b6y/ayarizAGsyGwOiDPlM0ZkaF71b2CePgNlXAaojCr/QK7Pf1BsttEV1T+hFZryF8W KdaiQBNrxBKOWG84tZpEqC3if9YgDm9mFMimF1YzSrwA+7aFVkFmtBZgTYmVyyyoQWSZ 0mBw== X-Received: by 10.180.24.40 with SMTP id r8mr1544108wif.5.1366463955017; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.20.139 with SMTP id n11ls511641wie.3.gmail; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.204.226.6 with SMTP id iu6mr1744404bkb.0.1366463954319; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22a.google.com (mail-la0-x22a.google.com [2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jh7si1788771bkb.3.2013.04.20.06.19.14 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a; Received: by mail-la0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fn20so4311457lab.1 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.5.134 with SMTP id s6mr10089298las.24.1366463954017; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.146.41 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 06:19:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 09:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Should I quit learning Lojban? From: Betsemes To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: betsemes@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of betsemes@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4010:c03::22a as permitted sender) smtp.mail=betsemes@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 12:58 AM, shanoxilt > I've recently been considering whether I should abandon learning Lojban in > favor of Esperanto or Toki Pona. Thus far, it has been a difficult and > unrewarding language. Yet, something in the back of my mind continues to > draw me to it. What should I do? I have been and still am struggling with learning Lojban. I knew about Lojban some years ago while I was learning the Klingon Language (mostly because I was a trekkie). Back then, I tried to learn both of them and found myself struggling with both languages. As I studied both languages I realized that 1) I was not really interested in learning a language that cannot be used for real like Klingon was with its severely limited vocabulary that was created to fit a fictional alien race and not humans. 2) The whole lot of usage of gutural sounds made me get into the (maybe wrong) feeling that I was learning garbage. I ended up deciding I didn't like Klingon. On the other hand, my computer science studies made Lojban even more interesting as I learned about it. So I decided to give Lojban my full attention and quit Klingon. But I have been very inconsistent on learning its vocabulary. I remember the time I first came to this list. Back then one of the current experts, selpa'i, was not here yet. It has been a long time, and I still cannot read a single Lojban line. More recently, I have been doing what I think has solved my procrastination problem; a flashcards program called Mnemosyne. I unsuccessfuly used another flashcards program before, Cue Cards. Mnemosyne is more robust and feature-rich while still looking clean. I only complained about a single flaw, but now it's fixed and I'm ready to import the whole of jbovlaste into it sorted by descending frequency (that thread was a godsend). So, for me, it's now or never. I think I have never had a better opportunity. Well, working on a fictional story set on a Lojban-speaking country has helped. So maybe it's a matter of finding the right study way for you. mu'o mi'e betsemes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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