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Subject: Re: [lojban] 5 classes of sumti in Lojban and about a new word for
 "grammatical abstraction"
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On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> All lojban constructs can be divided either to
> {apstrake}: {bridi}, {fasnu}, {selsku}
> or {naly'apstrake}: {namcu}, {dacti}.
>

Shouldn't the category that includes dacti also include mucti? "li mu cu
binxo lo jubme" and "lo plise cu binxo lo du'u ta blanu" both seem like
category mistakes, but "lo xadni cu binxo lo pruxi" or "lo cevni cu binxo
lo remna" seem fine to me, from a grammatical category point of view.

I would also include fasnu in the same category that includes dacti and
mucti. Even if there are reasons to subcategorize them, the division here
is not as clear-cut as in the case of namcu, bridi (and selkai, terki'i,
... ). Is a waterfall a dacti or a fasnu, is it something different from
water falling?

It would also be useful to have a general word for bridi/selkai/terki'i/...
independent of the number of open slots.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, la gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>All lojban constructs ca=
n be divided either to=A0</div><div>{apstrake}: {bridi}, {fasnu}, {selsku}<=
/div>

<div>or {naly&#39;apstrake}: {namcu}, {dacti}.</div></blockquote><div><br><=
/div><div>Shouldn&#39;t the category that includes dacti also include mucti=
? &quot;li mu cu binxo lo jubme&quot; and &quot;lo plise cu binxo lo du&#39=
;u ta blanu&quot; both seem like category mistakes, but &quot;lo xadni cu b=
inxo lo pruxi&quot; or &quot;lo cevni cu binxo lo remna&quot; seem fine to =
me, from a grammatical category point of view.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>I would also include fasnu in the same category that in=
cludes dacti and mucti. Even if there are reasons to subcategorize them, th=
e division here is not as clear-cut as in the case of namcu, bridi (and sel=
kai, terki&#39;i, ... ). Is a waterfall a dacti or a fasnu, is it something=
 different from water falling?</div>
<div><br></div><div>It would also be useful to have a general word for brid=
i/selkai/terki&#39;i/... independent of the number of open slots.</div><div=
><br></div><div style>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div><br></div></div>
</div></div>

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