Received: from mail-pd0-f185.google.com ([209.85.192.185]:60801) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UTYi7-0006WA-8j for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:24:19 -0700 Received: by mail-pd0-f185.google.com with SMTP id 14sf458428pdc.22 for ; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:24:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FJN34XIa90SdeM9/o2S2R87j0J2ANP1Du0eniGLBB1I=; b=AhbTIMVwFI4Dye24sbwfTzJD5q6QhsI0rAWmgImS5KqSpK8qDoOy9Pq0XkLNQnuyI8 4P5GawvQ0nyPq2b7vqQArnZxsdEDJkDGQhpQ7+qzMEmZ+szwfDFhcr4GI6UbpqVHlYZl vjbFw+iKO3cXfxh+65fMc0of0i6xOQ6seAOMiUVQ7rlHz+WUWnYqebJqN9v9Kl4kHQld fp8bX2LAseCABmCloh2XV2cp1fr2jnSOvsC/nPl+W9NKbRo4rPgHj02O1xXsrOrxybLI K1TpLlJuZcqLKF0p0n9JNneyLlUqbIXK2TaG8tRLfi3eh9MdR3/pBUTVt7F6HAMY2vsm Gt/A== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FJN34XIa90SdeM9/o2S2R87j0J2ANP1Du0eniGLBB1I=; b=mMsw1AIw8UFjmNj/W4sM1/DWc519WK4DyirO5Odj//onnP7OqRhKIbgpY+lpIwOtCD RYgGJHMjYAY7+crQ+IjC5oPgisSaKykTF+wwDMLVDHTULm/XqEaER8mUeRd2VaTbmxIR imb/bgXvv+zP/xDf4V1EHPcwu3FkCcon9HA6bvZ70iqilaPIez5qLO4DsT3BuWxL0wvx UA8RnQ6r7laQNVSjj6XZNLwCW5K2n6Q7b/r/32A2AEedlkDSjQrN2tSnLxOLGif2KqoK 2PBU+qMlKhCVu/Bz7PirhR1JSX1BFL43J0zi9vLXqFBHpyN7ZJHxwUZGpTG9ppjyuPZ0 7LXg== X-Received: by 10.49.72.225 with SMTP id g1mr1950889qev.36.1366467848988; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:24:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.1.4 with SMTP id 4ls2673171qei.68.gmail; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:24:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.109.41 with SMTP id hp9mr1914055qeb.35.1366467848584; Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 07:24:07 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <5d22d3a4-46ca-4f77-bff4-5aa52f193e13@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Should I quit learning Lojban? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_230_31031099.1366467848050" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_230_31031099.1366467848050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:03:05 PM UTC+4, Betsemes wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 9:38 AM, la gleki > > wrote: > >> Mnemosyne is more robust and feature-rich while still looking clean. I > >> only complained about a single flaw, but now it's fixed and I'm ready > >> to import the whole of jbovlaste into it sorted by descending > >> frequency (that thread was a godsend). > > > > oh wait, i'll upload another freq dic now. > > Thank you for the warning. I'd regret it if I had already imported it. > Could you tell us when your work on these lists is finished? > It is finished (see the last message that i sent 40 minutes ago in that thread). It is finished at least how i understand it. I checked all the words sorted by frequency till No 4043 and then added the rest of the words from jbovlaste. For me 4043 words are enough both for flashcards and MultiLing. Anyway word No 4043 had absolute frequency of only 11 so estimation error was likely to be high. However, notice that it has cmavo clusters like {lonu} etc. I think those who learn lojban must be familiar with most frequent cmavo clusters as well even though their meaning can be directly derived from their components. P.S. au do ca'o jmina lo frili je sampu be do jufra la tatoebas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_230_31031099.1366467848050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:03:05 PM UTC+4, Betsemes wrote:On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 9:38 AM, la = gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mnemosyne is more robust and feature-rich while still looking = clean. I
>> only complained about a single flaw, but now it's fixed and I'= m ready
>> to import the whole of jbovlaste into it sorted by descending
>> frequency (that thread was a godsend).
>
> oh wait, i'll upload another freq dic now.

Thank you for the warning. I'd regret it if I had already imported it.
Could you tell us when your work on these lists is finished?

It is finished (see the last message t= hat i sent 40 minutes ago in that thread). It is finished at least how i un= derstand it. I checked all the words sorted by frequency till No 4043  = ;and then added the rest of the words from jbovlaste. For me 4043 words are= enough both for flashcards and MultiLing. Anyway word No 4043 had absolute= frequency of only 11 so estimation error was likely to be high.
= However, notice that it has cmavo clusters like {lonu} etc. I think those w= ho learn lojban must be familiar with most frequent cmavo clusters as well = even though their meaning can be directly derived from their components.

P.S. au do ca'o jmina lo frili je sampu be do jufra = la tatoebas

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