Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2013 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] 5 classes of sumti in Lojban and about a new word for
 "grammatical abstraction"
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:23:22 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> All lojban constructs can be divided either to 
>> {apstrake}: {bridi}, {fasnu}, {selsku}
>> or {naly'apstrake}: {namcu}, {dacti}.
>>
>
> Shouldn't the category that includes dacti also include mucti?
>
 
Sure. We just dont have a word to describe it, do we?

"li mu cu binxo lo jubme" and "lo plise cu binxo lo du'u ta blanu" both 
> seem like category mistakes, but "lo xadni cu binxo lo pruxi" or "lo cevni 
> cu binxo lo remna" seem fine to me, from a grammatical category point of 
> view. 
>
> I would also include fasnu in the same category that includes dacti and 
> mucti.
>

I probably wanted something different. Now my question is: do we have right 
to put all {su'u} places into one grammatical class? gimste is not clear 
what type NU is in what place needed. 

Even if there are reasons to subcategorize them, the division here is not 
> as clear-cut as in the case of namcu, bridi (and selkai, terki'i, ... ). Is 
> a waterfall a dacti or a fasnu, is it something different from water 
> falling?
>
> It would also be useful to have a general word for 
> bridi/selkai/terki'i/... independent of the number of open slots.
>

note taken.
 

>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
>  

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<br><br>On Saturday, April 20, 2013 6:23:22 PM UTC+4, xorxes wrote:<blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left=
: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 12:05 PM, la gleki <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"S=
AAPWNtyyRQJ">gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>All lojban constructs ca=
n be divided either to&nbsp;</div><div>{apstrake}: {bridi}, {fasnu}, {selsk=
u}</div>

<div>or {naly'apstrake}: {namcu}, {dacti}.</div></blockquote><div><br></div=
><div>Shouldn't the category that includes dacti also include mucti?</div><=
/div></div></div></blockquote><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Sure. We just dont have=
 a word to describe it, do we?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>=
 "li mu cu binxo lo jubme" and "lo plise cu binxo lo du'u ta blanu" both se=
em like category mistakes, but "lo xadni cu binxo lo pruxi" or "lo cevni cu=
 binxo lo remna" seem fine to me, from a grammatical category point of view=
.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div><div>I would also include fasnu in the same category that in=
cludes dacti and mucti.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>I probably wanted something different. Now my question is: do we have =
right to put all {su'u} places into one grammatical class? gimste is not cl=
ear what type NU is in what place needed.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-lef=
t: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div> Even if there are reasons to subcategorize them, the divi=
sion here is not as clear-cut as in the case of namcu, bridi (and selkai, t=
erki'i, ... ). Is a waterfall a dacti or a fasnu, is it something different=
 from water falling?</div>
<div><br></div><div>It would also be useful to have a general word for brid=
i/selkai/terki'i/... independent of the number of open slots.</div></div></=
div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>note taken.</div><div>&nbsp;</di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;b=
order-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>mu'o mi'e xorxes</div><div><br></d=
iv></div>
</div></div>
</blockquote>

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