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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6439b4b4e7fb04db54b315 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f6439b4b4e7fb04db54b315 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > As long as everybody thinks someone else might do it, no-one will > act, at least in this community. This phenomenon has been shown to be universal, actually. The more people there are who /could/ do something, no matter what it is, the less likely anyone /will/. I don't remember any of the actual studies off the top of my head- it's been awhile since my psychology class- but I do remember that if you're getting beat up in an alley, it's much more likely that someone will come to your aid if three people see it happening than if 30 do. This is why, in real life, you should never shout "Somebody call 911!" to a crowd of people, because everyone will assume someone else is doing it and so no one does. It's a much better idea to either do it yourself, or failing that, single some one out and shout "You there in the red shirt, call 911!" (Or some other uniquely descriptive identifier.) In any case, this is not the reason for my not coming forward. My reason is simply that I'm not deeply enough involved to want to. > I was looking for someone to > actually take some responsibility for this function, on a personal > level. > > "Many hands make light work" has been *staggeringly* unsuccessful > around here. > > -Robin > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 05:29:18PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Well, I know the BPFK has it's own list, does the LLG? I think it > > would make most sense to either send them all to the LLG, or split > > them between the too aforementioned. > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:04:44PM +0200, v4hn wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 01:30:10PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > These days, it seems that no-one but me *ever* responds to this > > > > > address, and I am very slow and miss things. > > > > > > > > > > Help? > > > > > > > > Why not just forward these mails to the list? > > > > > > Hmm. Some of the things that come to that address are business > > > related, such as book orders; those *definitely* can't go to the > > > list. > > > > > > I could *probably* find all such sources, though, although it would > > > mean work. > > > > > > -Robin > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "lojban" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > > (Come to the Dot Side! 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On S= at, Apr 27, 2013 at 2:31 AM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalk= ingdom.org> wrote:
As long as everybody thinks someone else mig= ht do it, no-one will
act, at least in this community.

This pheno= menon has been shown to be universal, actually. The more people there are w= ho /could/ do something, no matter what it is, the less likely anyone /will= /.

I don't remember any of the actual studies off the top o= f my head- it's been awhile since my psychology class- but I do remembe= r that if you're getting beat up in an alley, it's much more likely= that someone will come to your aid if three people see it happening than i= f 30 do.

This is why, in real life, you should never shout= "Somebody call 911!" to a crowd of people, because everyone will= assume someone else is doing it and so no one does. It's a much better= idea to either do it yourself, or failing that, single some one out and sh= out "You there in the red shirt, call 911!" (Or some other unique= ly descriptive identifier.)

In any case, this is not the reason for my not coming forwar= d. My reason is simply that I'm not deeply enough involved to want to.<= br>
=A0
I was looking for someone to
actually take some responsibility for this function, on a personal
level.

"Many hands make light work" has been *staggeringly* unsuccessful=
around here.

-Robin

On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 05:29:18PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Well, I know the BPFK has it's own list, does the LLG? I think it<= br> > would make most sense to either send them all to the LLG, or split
> them between the too aforementioned.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom= .org> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 11:04:44PM +0200, v4hn wrote:
> > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 01:30:10PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell w= rote:
> > > >
> > > > These days, it seems that no-one but me *ever* responds= to this
> > > > address, and I am very slow and miss things.
> > > >
> > > > Help?
> > >
> > > Why not just forward these mails to the list?
> >
> > Hmm. =A0Some of the things that come to that address are business=
> > related, such as book orders; those *definitely* can't go to = the
> > list.
> >
> > I could *probably* find all such sources, though, although it wou= ld
> > mean work.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > --
> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Googl= e Groups
> > "lojban" group.
> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,= send an
> > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3De= n.
> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.=
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo= 'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups "lojban" group.
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>
>

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lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
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