Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 03:25:23 -0700 (PDT)
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On Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:25:39 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:
>
> An article that may be of interest to jbopre:
>
> "Could a new phonetic alphabet promote world peace?"
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21505114
>
> Some quotes:
>
> "The reason why Finland shines in education is because their children have 
> to spend very little time learning to read and write. It is completely 
> phonetic."
>
> "Utopian language projects, in which an artificial system is put forward 
> as an alternative to what's developed naturally, tend to fail. People are 
> strongly attached to the distinctiveness and idiosyncrasies of whatever 
> language they use."
>
> "Shared language can dupe us into thinking we share other things - values, 
> beliefs, goals - when in many cases we don't. Does it minimize differences, 
> or merely mask them?"
>


There is such a thing as IPA. I don't think it's hard to learn Latin, 
Cyrillic, Greek, Arabic and Hebrew alphabets.
If you need Indian languages learn their alphabets. 

Next, I don't want to replace Chinese script with pinyin or similar 
derivations. It causes problems even for Chinese that are already 
forgetting how to write characters due to excessive use of pinyin-enabled 
keyboards.

Next, such apps like MultiLing O keyboard for Android allow to enter text 
in any alphabet. And they contain dictionaries now even for Lojban.

Lastly, alphabet wouldn't change much. One would still have to learn all 
those languages with old alphabets. You can't remove the written history of 
humanity and autoconversion from one alphabet into another is still out of 
question cuz we have plenty of paper books.

If you need a unified language that would retain expressive power of other 
languages including even math notation (that is also a language)
then you need Lojban or it's derivatives. Other methods that I know would 
fail or have already failed.


> mu'o
>

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<br><br>On Sunday, April 28, 2013 1:25:39 PM UTC+4, tijlan wrote:<blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: =
1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>An article that ma=
y be of interest to jbopre:<br><br>"Could a new phonetic alphabet promote w=
orld peace?"<br><a href=3D"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21505114" tar=
get=3D"_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/<wbr>magazine-21505114</a><br>
<br>Some quotes:<br><br>"The reason why Finland shines in education is beca=
use their children have to spend very little time learning to read and writ=
e. It is completely phonetic."<br><br>"Utopian language projects, in which =
an artificial system is put forward as an alternative to what's developed n=
aturally, tend to fail. People are strongly attached to the distinctiveness=
 and idiosyncrasies of whatever language they use."<br>
<br>"Shared language can dupe us into thinking we share other things - valu=
es, beliefs, goals - when in many cases we don't. Does it minimize differen=
ces, or merely mask them?"<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=
<br></div><div>There is such a thing as IPA. I don't think it's hard to lea=
rn Latin, Cyrillic, Greek, Arabic and Hebrew alphabets.</div><div>If you ne=
ed Indian languages learn their alphabets.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>N=
ext, I don't want to replace Chinese script with pinyin or similar derivati=
ons. It causes problems even for Chinese that are already forgetting how to=
 write characters due to excessive use of pinyin-enabled keyboards.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Next, such apps like MultiLing O keyboard for Android all=
ow to enter text in any alphabet. And they contain dictionaries now even fo=
r Lojban.</div><div><br></div><div>Lastly, alphabet wouldn't change much. O=
ne would still have to learn all those languages with old alphabets. You ca=
n't remove the written history of humanity and autoconversion from one alph=
abet into another is still out of question cuz we have plenty of paper book=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>If you need a unified language that would retai=
n expressive power of other languages including even math notation (that is=
 also a language)</div><div>then you need Lojban or it's derivatives. Other=
 methods that I know would fail or have already failed.</div><div><br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></d=
iv>mu'o<br></div>
</blockquote>

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