Received: from mail-da0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:51553) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1UWpjk-0000nB-9V for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:11:35 -0700 Received: by mail-da0-f61.google.com with SMTP id p5sf1417211dak.6 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:11:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gsDpDGIG8JeDO80vIEzT59yGhVNPJtHbrabHBTyxa4M=; b=JxhTQtTl5/jmPw3Gs/FVo6UiNMTNm9M0cWehsyOZBa3EaZdoxxcusc0EB2JKomCre0 gndKixa6TwC3UZlaf1E763/lgIBfXrLGgUqdqEpOpuiRUUpOjNH0E48WJRfOIxQckudR BDd+L0PIkllp5xbqxH4RLKhX3grNZ/784RL2+hKpPOWv/x2uyjuX+bh2Yd3IVq46cgvN vwrC6c5ClDyZLcZ/4Ch/cTpT8WyXyXjtiXk/JR/61i3PtPRRX9J1A6/yEXXYEXiu7csx 9IfWbus3kOy9C72kTNPzVhIquDBd4bJpq+8iiBo1hY3XF+UslFNp3eAeRVgBMV563Wbn f0WQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-beenthere:x-received:date:from:to:message-id :in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gsDpDGIG8JeDO80vIEzT59yGhVNPJtHbrabHBTyxa4M=; b=MO0nYeYptUL7sKGOhOcK2/taMq1b+xa5qqmXnjVw7q7FDGqeOIyBWGcGaREOdHaYcK PsnXaWR2FmEP8p6Ek94w4FKqakk7jCJE1SugI6lkxO9N6zr3Vl4cpYsP++q04vanE8c3 cZEHrppHi9Z6YH/hOuNQ3Ln2Yf+p1VeFvl0epLwprr7Qo0tAUXClHhUdjyeEpCKfKiOT B/Gict5HH6zVAIyrwuyCf5kUnn5hw++Xp6r2iY0fLKulnERYvBhDHsGwT0skhkmD07ab bIWSQFeu0zimyoGAIDp76jiCOHifWZK9dnnVUxk27yXxlxDMqFJJv6qDDSfSd0Kg2JCx s2Cg== X-Received: by 10.182.66.68 with SMTP id d4mr663832obt.34.1367248281632; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:11:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.97.9 with SMTP id dw9ls449452obb.27.gmail; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:11:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.209.68 with SMTP id mk4mr690209obc.19.1367248280281; Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 08:11:19 -0700 (PDT) From: la gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <685fb757-9e68-441b-b74d-8d432368103a@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <517D5810.6030003@gmx.de> <34d4b1a3-f85c-40e3-9fea-28d46a738c15@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The Mad Proposals MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_244_8870454.1367248279784" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_244_8870454.1367248279784 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:21:03 PM UTC+4, remod wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:01 AM, la gleki > > wrote: > >> >> Although one is always free to add http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/gijeand it's friends to jbovlaste. >> >> > In this case it would be different as they would probably interfere with > the formal grammar. The language must remain unambigously parseable or > every will be lost! > > The best would be if the changes would be compatible so that whatever was > grammatically correct before introducing GIJA will stay correct. > if GIhA is retained for backward compatibility then nothing previously written is broken. But only for GIJA/GIhA. Other proposals break some things. btw, cmavo definitions have been initially broken in jbovlaste. A complaint that i got just today is that {.ai} means "intent" but defined in jvs as the full scale "attitudinal: intent - indecision - rejection/refusal." which has to be in comments, not in the definition. > remod > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_244_8870454.1367248279784 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Monday, April 29, 2013 5:21:03 PM UTC+4, remod wrote:
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 8:01 AM, la gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

Although one is always f= ree to add http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/gije and it's friends to jbov= laste.

 
In this case it would be= different as they would probably interfere with the formal grammar. The la= nguage must remain unambigously parseable  or every will be lost!
<= br>
The best would be if the changes would be compatible so that whatever = was grammatically correct before introducing GIJA will stay correct.

if GIhA is retained for backward = compatibility then nothing previously written is broken. But only for GIJA/= GIhA. Other proposals break some things.

btw, cmav= o definitions have been initially broken in jbovlaste. A complaint that i g= ot just today is that

{.ai} means "intent" but def= ined in jvs as the full scale "attitudinal: intent - indecision - rejection= /refusal." which has to be in comments, not in the definition.


remod

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